looking for new snake

[snakekid6996]

Looking to get my third snake
I want to get something a little more exotic than Your average day corn snake, ball python, or boa
I was looking at children pythons or maybe a gray banded king snake, but I wanted to see if anyone on here would have any other snake ideas.
I'm looking for something up to around 150-200$price range and that would fit in a 40gallon breeder tank or smaller. However, I'm open to any ideas.a

[EL Ziggy]

There are so many amazing snakes to choose from. I hope you find the one that's perfect for you. As far as recommendations, you cant go wrong with a king, carpet, or bull snake but you might need a slightly larger enclosure for the bull or carpet. Best wishes and let us know what you decide.

[Tsubaki]

Elaphe dione?

[Batessi]

I am confused, you said something more exotic then thew in a Childrens' and a kingsnake? That's not to be taken offensively, I am just trying to understand the question. :o

[snakekid6996]

I am confused, you said something more exotic then thew in a Childrens' and a kingsnake? That's not to be taken offensively, I am just trying to understand the question. :o
By more exotic I just mean stuff that not every other person has and every petstore sells. Seems like every kid I know has a ball, corn, or boa, but I've never met anyone in person with a childrens' python or a gray banded king. I'm not dead set on those snakes they were just ideas :P. Any snakes that fit the criteria of 150-200$ price range and 40gal breeder I'd Love to here. The whole idea of this thread was just to widen my horizon. There are quite a few I can think of, but I'm sure that there are way more that I'm not thinking of or haven't herd of. I just want to make sure I see all the posibilities I could get before I decide on one.

[MDT]

to be fair, children's pythons and grey banded kings are not that common comparatively speaking...

[Mikoh4792]

to be fair, children's pythons and grey banded kings are not that common comparatively speaking...

I agree. These snakes are relatively rare in terms of the average collection.

I think any anteresia(childrens, spotted, pygmy...etc) would make a nice pet.

Do you have to use glass tanks? They aren't exactly the best thing to use for snakes. It would be much easier to maintain conditions if you bought or built an actual snake enclosure. And if you could, I would say even a green tree python would make a nice pet as well. It's just a snake you would not be able to handle as often.

[snakekid6996]

I agree. These snakes are relatively rare in terms of the average collection.

I think any anteresia(childrens, spotted, pygmy...etc) would make a nice pet.

Do you have to use glass tanks? They aren't exactly the best thing to use for snakes. It would be much easier to maintain conditions if you bought or built an actual snake enclosure. And if you could, I would say even a green tree python would make a nice pet as well. It's just a snake you would not be able to handle as often.

All I have is some aquariums (a few 10 gallons, 15 gallon tall, and 40gallon breeder) and one woden snake enclosure that I would guess is the size of a 20gallon, but a bit deeper. However, it is not the most pleasing to look at. I could possibly do a rub set up. I've been wanting to get a gtp for years, but I've herd they're pretty hard to keep and the husbandry can be a bit of a challenge considoring the strict humidity and heat requirments and the fact that they're aboreal. I'm not sure if I'd be ready for one yet with my current situation, but I'd Love to get one. They're deffinitly on my list to get at somepoint.

[Mikoh4792]

All I have is some aquariums (a few 10 gallons, 15 gallon tall, and 40gallon breeder) and one woden snake enclosure that I would guess is the size of a 20gallon, but a bit deeper. However, it is not the most pleasing to look at. I could possibly do a rub set up. I've been wanting to get a gtp for years, but I've herd they're pretty hard to keep and the husbandry can be a bit of a challenge considoring the strict humidity and heat requirments and the fact that they're aboreal. I'm not sure if I'd be ready for one yet with my current situation, but I'd Love to get one. They're deffinitly on my list to get at somepoint.

If you can opt to buy or build a bigger one later on I would say a gtp is a good choice.

They aren't exactly harder to keep than other species, and don't require as high humidity as other snakes such as brb's and such. Just keep them in a low ventilation enclosure, a large water bowl and keep them in the high 70's to mid 80's. You don't need to mist them everyday and they do fine with humidity around 60%.

A green tree python setup is actually very easy because of the fact that they are arboreal. Here is one I pulled off the internet. The snake being shown is actually an ETB, but it works well for GTP's as well

http://pvccages.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/DSC00188-946x360.jpg

[snakekid6996]

If you can opt to buy or build a bigger one later on I would say a gtp is a good choice.

They aren't exactly harder to keep than other species, and don't require as high humidity as other snakes such as brb's and such. Just keep them in a low ventilation enclosure, a large water bowl and keep them in the high 70's to mid 80's. You don't need to mist them everyday and they do fine with humidity around 60%.

A green tree python setup is actually very easy because of the fact that they are arboreal. Here is one I pulled off the internet. The snake being shown is actually an ETB, but it works well for GTP's as well
http://pvccages.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/DSC00188-946x360.jpg

part of the issue is how tight on money I am on money atm. I'm selling my veiled and her set up and that's the money I will be using towards a new snake. I'll also need to buy a thermostat and heat pad. I could maybe build a cheap rub though. How often would You recomend misting the enclosure? Also, how would You recomend heating a arboreal enclosure?

[Batessi]

part of the issue is how tight on money I am on money atm. I'm selling my veiled and her set up and that's the money I will be using towards a new snake. I'll also need to buy a thermostat and heat pad. I could maybe build a cheap rub though. How often would You recomend misting the enclosure? Also, how would You recomend heating a arboreal enclosure?

I use a heated room, but fellow hobbyists use Pro Products radiant heat panels. Morelia viridis is definitely a great species, I love all mine. They are not very costly to set up correctly, in fact all my cages just contain some plants, bedding, PVC pipe, and lighting.

[Mikoh4792]

part of the issue is how tight on money I am on money atm. I'm selling my veiled and her set up and that's the money I will be using towards a new snake. I'll also need to buy a thermostat and heat pad. I could maybe build a cheap rub though. How often would You recomend misting the enclosure? Also, how would You recomend heating a arboreal enclosure?

I would always recommend a radiant heat panel as a heating source over a heat lamp for arboreal snakes. These put out gentle heat, last forever, and are easy to install inside an enclosure without the need for gaurds(Because they just don't get that hot).

I'd mist my green tree python enclosures once every few days just so they could drink the water droplets off their body. I never misted for the purpose of raising humidity. The low ventilation of a proper snake cage and large water bowl did all the work for me. High temperatures(above mid 80'sF) will dehydrate these snakes quicker, which is why people used to need to keep the humidity so high. My chondros would only spend time under the heat source after a meal. They were in the cooler side of their enclosures most of the time. When I read their body temps with a heat gun it would usually be around 80-82F.

[snakekid6996]

I just don't think I can do all of this with my budget atm.
I have tanks and decor but none for an arboreal species
I would need an entirely new set up, a 50-100$ heat panel, and the snake by itself is 350$+.
I was planning on only spending around 100-200$ on this project.
Unfortunately I just don't think I can afford this guy right now :/

[Mikoh4792]

Hm... off the top of my head some rare snakes i can think of are kunisir island ratsnakes, solomon ground/solomon tree boas(they are different snakes), anteresia(spotteds, childreni..etc), dwarf boas(cay caulker island, crawl cay, tarahumara mountain...etc).

[snakekid6996]

I was thinking a hog island might be nice

[Mikoh4792]

I was thinking a hog island might be nice

Those are neat snakes. However I'd be ready to provide it a larger enclosure than a 40 gallon down the road.

[Batessi]

A true hog island should not get over 6ft, but a 40gal is really cutting it close considering the bulk that comes with boas. Seeing the budget and the use of a glass tank, I would go with a jungle or IJ carpet. A nice hardy species that will give you a little extra experience for when you can pick up a GTP on top of being something a little different.

[jpsteele80]

There are numerous snakes you could get with up to 200 dollars, Just depends on the type of snake your looking for, you could get an amazon tree boa, retics and burms are less than 200 but you will definitely need a tank upgrade soon, carpet pythons are awesome, blood's are awesome, do you prefer slender or heavy bodied, number of questions you gotta ask yourself.

[snakekid6996]

Would anyone recommend a woma python?

[jpsteele80]

It's really all about what you want, I wouldn't go buy a snake just to buy one, be happy with your decision, do the research on what you want, if you want a woma python then you should get one

[snakekid6996]

I want every snake. :c therein lies the problem

[jpsteele80]

Lol we all have that same problem

[snakekid6996]

A true hog island should not get over 6ft, but a 40gal is really cutting it close considering the bulk that comes with boas. Seeing the budget and the use of a glass tank, I would go with a jungle or IJ carpet. A nice hardy species that will give you a little extra experience for when you can pick up a GTP on top of being something a little different.

Would I male jungle carpet python be able to live it's entire Life in a 40gallon breeder? I might be interested in getting one.

[jpsteele80]

For an adult male carpet I would think more like a 4x2x2 (tall X width X length)

[Batessi]

Would I male jungle carpet python be able to live it's entire Life in a 40gallon breeder? I might be interested in getting one.

You will not have much room for decor, but yes. 40 gallons are a real awkward tank for snakes in my opinion though, great length, but 18" width with 16" inch height is just a little redundant in my eyes, I like 20-24" width. It will take a JCP about 3 years to reach adult size, by then I am sure you'll have the funds to build a more custom cage.

[Mikoh4792]

Would I male jungle carpet python be able to live it's entire Life in a 40gallon breeder? I might be interested in getting one.

To be honest I don't think 40 gallons are suitable for an adult carpet python. I would go with a 3x2x2 as a minimum.

[Mikoh4792]

A true hog island should not get over 6ft, but a 40gal is really cutting it close considering the bulk that comes with boas. Seeing the budget and the use of a glass tank, I would go with a jungle or IJ carpet. A nice hardy species that will give you a little extra experience for when you can pick up a GTP on top of being something a little different.

I would say a 40 gallon is too small for an adult carpet python. A snake can be kept alive in a 40 gallon but I find it to be too cramped even for a relatively slender boid.

[aaron_cg]

Want something more exciting, and not to common? Why not a King Rat? All though for a 40 gallon have you considered a Milk Snake?

[pdomensis]

I just don't think I can do all of this with my budget atm.
I have tanks and decor but none for an arboreal species
I would need an entirely new set up, a 50-100$ heat panel, and the snake by itself is 350$+.
I was planning on only spending around 100-200$ on this project.
Unfortunately I just don't think I can afford this guy right now :/

If you can't afford the better housing then you're left with species that are more tolerant of the conditions you can provide, (size, humidity, etc). So you're left mostly with temperate colubrids and a few others. There are lots of species and morphs of kings, milks and bulls that would enhance your small collection. A childrens' could work too if the glass cage had some modifications.

If you really want something different it would be worth the time to save up for it. :)

[Kera]

If you're interested in smaller snakes, you could go with a western hog nose. :) Not too extravagant but mostly overlooked, very cute. I've been wanting a hoggie for a while. :)

I will always vouch for carpets as well, though, as everyone else has pretty much said, a 40 gal might be cramped for an adult male even, but you would have time to buy a larger, more suitable enclosure if you buy a neonate or even a yearling. :) Best of luck in your hunt.

[Mikoh4792]

If you're interested in smaller snakes, you could go with a western hog nose. :) Not too extravagant but mostly overlooked, very cute. I've been wanting a hoggie for a while. :)

I will always vouch for carpets as well, though, as everyone else has pretty much said, a 40 gal might be cramped for an adult male even, but you would have time to buy a larger, more suitable enclosure if you buy a neonate or even a yearling. :) Best of luck in your hunt.

I agree. A 40 gallon will house a carpet python for about 2-3 years before it starts to get a little cramped.

[snakekid6996]

Would a 40gallon breeder work for a amazon tree boa?

[IW17]

It's a bit cramped for an arboreal species. What about African house snakes? Well under your budget and super cool snakes. Very tolerant of handling, very laid back demeanor, and would live comfortably in your tank. You could use a heat pad hooked to a thermostat, and buy plexiglass to cover the top. Just drill holes for ventilation, however many you need.

[snakekid6996]

I'm also looking at a Indonesia tree boa
they're cheap, stay relatively small, don't look to hard to care for, and are a bit more exotic :)

[snakekid6996]

I'm very interested in getting a amazon tree boa and once it reaches it's adult length taking two 31 gallon tubs and putting one upside down on the other to make a arboreal tub set up.
I would need to buy a zoomed hygrotherm with a reptifogger and heat mat (I don't have the means to mist the tank that often) a sterlite tub and a garden or Halloween phase atb. I'm thinking I could get all of that within my 200$ budget range.
What do You guys think?