Spread the word

[JWFugle]

I dont know much about this whole thing but i know its not good. lets get this around and get peoples support and help.

i fight for my right to carry, best believe ill fight for my right to own my reptiles.


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[jpsteele80]

Effing kidding me, when will they ever stop, the lacy act has not done one thing to solve the problem in the everglades nor will it ever, just a bunch of idiots wanting to take more rights away because they don't like snakes, then it will be smaller snakes, then all reptiles in general, if you take away people's rights to own one kind of animal then you have to take away rights to own any animal

[Sublimeballs]

Good god, they're at it again. They're already in court with usark, you'd think they'd back off atleast until the law suite is over. I'm putting this on Facebook retic nation page. This needs to stop, I'd be all for enforcing regulations for dangerous animals(giant constrictors, hots, large lizards) but don't ban them.

[dave himself]

I really feel for you guys across the pond, I sometimes forget how lucky I am being able to enjoy our snakes with no pressure from anyone

[JWFugle]

i was gonna post this else where on the forum too but didnt want to spam it either. ive been sharing it on gun pages and other fb pages who know how hard it is to fight for our rights. i suggest you guys do the same. lets make some noise about this.

[DrummingT]

Good god, they're at it again. They're already in court with usark, you'd think they'd back off atleast until the law suite is over. I'm putting this on Facebook retic nation page. This needs to stop, I'd be all for enforcing regulations for dangerous animals(giant constrictors, hots, large lizards) but don't ban them.

Then you're part of the problem.

One automobile is more dangerous than all the snakes in the USA put together.

BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Or grasp reality.

[Akuma223]

It says its open to comment, how do I comment?

[snakekid6996]

Then you're part of the problem.

One automobile is more dangerous than all the snakes in the USA put together.

BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Or grasp reality.

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?

[millertime89]

From a good friend of mine:

Before anyone loses their **** over all these posts that are being shared from Wyatt and the herp alliance, I talked to Phil Goss today about this and this is what he wrote me............

"An announcement was again posted in the Federal Register (Regulatory or Unified Agenda) a couple weeks ago. It is below. Very similar language has been posted several times since the four species were listed in 2012. It means that FWS has plans to finalize the rule. That could mean no additional species are added, some will be added, or all of them. FWS could list additional species at any time but they have not. This is probably due to pressure form USARK and the lawsuit. If USARK had not been around, there would most likely already be 9 species (or more) listed.


Again, this means that FWS plans to make a final determination. It may or may not happen. It is serious but it is the same threat that has been there since 2012 when the original four were listed. They have been posting language similar to below for over two years and it has not happened yet. If that doesn't answer your question, shoot more at me."

DOI/FWS

RIN: 1018-AV68

Publication ID: Spring 2014

Title: Injurious Wildlife Evaluation; Constrictor Species From Python, Boa, and Eunectes Genera

Abstract: We are making a final determination on the listing of five species of large constrictor snakes as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act: Reticulated python, DeSchauensee's anaconda, green anaconda, Beni anaconda, and boa constrictor.

[millertime89]

Then you're part of the problem.

No, he's not. A licensing system for owners would be ideal unfortunately it's not exactly realistic. The best thing to do would be for the hobby to police itself and while many people do this, many don't as they just see dollar signs and don't care about the well being of the animal or the potential ramifications that come about from poor-keeping.

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?

See above.

Education and breeders self-policing is ultimately the best policy but that seldom happens it seems.

[Sublimeballs]

Then you're part of the problem.

One automobile is more dangerous than all the snakes in the USA put together.

BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Or grasp reality.




Ummm.....You do realize I said I'm FOR regulating dangerous reptiles, and AGINST banning them right. I agree, cars are very dangerous, that's why the operations of a vehicle is regulated. You have to have a license to operate one and additional licenses for larger (more dangerous) vehicles.

A 12 year old boy, with parents that know nothing of reptiles and agreed to let him get a snake, shouldn't be able to purchase a giant or a hot. Nor should these animals be housed in improper caging in a house with small kids(or ever). Do you not agree?

[Sublimeballs]

Great to hear Kyle. I wish there were more news on the usark lawsuite.

[millertime89]

Like Phil said, it's the same **** they say every few months and it changes nothing. The lawsuit is progressing and if you read the emails from USARK it sounds promissing.

[IW17]

Regulations aren't a bad thing so long as they are within reason. If we allow regulations so strict it keeps these animals out of reach for responsible owners then it's basically a ban in itself.

[JWFugle]

Regulations aren't a bad thing so long as they are within reason. If we allow regulations so strict it keeps these animals out of reach for responsible owners then it's basically a ban in itself.

as much as i agree with you i also believe its much harder to stop a rock from rolling down hill once its already rolling... as we are seeing with our gun regulations and how once they get going they are harder and harder to stop.

if we want to control this we need to educate the buyers and hold the sellers to a higher standard within our selves not having the government do it for us. for every one 100 kids that want a snake there are 5 respected breeders and 75 ppl who own large snakes and want to make a profit off a kids parents.

i believe strongly in self regulation and self enforcement. you know someone selling retics to kids saying its a great first snake they need to be stopped, by other respected breeders and straightened out or delt with by law if necessary.

[DrummingT]

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?


I'm absolutely saying that.

I think you're completely GOOSE STEPPING FASCIST crazy if you don't agree with me enthusiastically.

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'2. On Feb. 23, 2001, on Isla Vista’s Sabado Tarde Road, UC Santa Barbara freshman David Attias, who had a lifelong history of mental health problems, drove his new Saab into a group of pedestrians. Four people died instantly: Ruth Levy, Nick Bourdakis and Christopher Divis, all 20-year-old students, plus 27-year-old Ellie Israel. Ruth Levy’s older brother, Albert Levy, was critically injured and is permanently disabled.

Attias, the son of television director David Attias, emerged from his car yelling, “I am the angel of death!”
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"The incidents left 27 people injured, police say — seven of them in the most recent hit-and-run on Thursday."

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"drove on a wild 45-minute ride on the East Side, hitting at least 17 pedestrians and critically injuring at least two of them"

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"Shareef is accused of running over five people in Cumberland and Harnett counties in 2004, killing one."

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[DrummingT]

Ummm.....You do realize I said I'm FOR regulating dangerous reptiles, and AGINST banning them right. I agree, cars are very dangerous, that's why the operations of a vehicle is regulated. You have to have a license to operate one and additional licenses for larger (more dangerous) vehicles.

A 12 year old boy, with parents that know nothing of reptiles and agreed to let him get a snake, shouldn't be able to purchase a giant or a hot. Nor should these animals be housed in improper caging in a house with small kids(or ever). Do you not agree?

I'm 100% opposed to your entire point of view.

Anyone has the RIGHT to enter a liquor store and buy several times more hard liquor than is needed to drink themselves to death in one sitting. Some college "kids" have done this on campus.

DEATH is part of LIFE.

You get only one life to live. Don't let anyone else infringe on your right to live it as you choose.

[DrummingT]

Regulations aren't a bad thing so long as they are within reason. If we allow regulations so strict it keeps these animals out of reach for responsible owners then it's basically a ban in itself.


If you allow regulation that is EXACTLY what you end up with.

In point of LAW anyone in Florida can legally own a rattlesnake.

In REALITY almost no one can.

Those screaming for regulations won't stop until the whole USA is like Florida, which I consider 100% FASCIST. Totally unacceptable to even argue about. Dead from the gate.

[millertime89]

You get only one life to live. Don't let anyone else infringe on your right to live it as you choose.

Here's the problem with this sort of blanket statement. What happens when your "rights" infringe upon my right to live? Is not my right to live at all more important than your desire to own a firearm, drive a car, keep a rattlesnake or lion? While I'm not saying which way is right or wrong what I am saying is that a civil discussion about these issues and many others resulting in a reasonable compromise wouldn't be a bad idea. But politicians as of late are too petty and obsessed with playing childish games to do anything of the sort. This would be a non-issue if people were responsible but unfortunately most people are idiots resulting in people in power sticking their noses in where they have no business.

Also, maybe look up fascism before throwing it around. Authoritarian is the word you're looking for.

[IW17]

If you allow regulation that is EXACTLY what you end up with.

In point of LAW anyone in Florida can legally own a rattlesnake.

In REALITY almost no one can.

Those screaming for regulations won't stop until the whole USA is like Florida, which I consider 100% FASCIST. Totally unacceptable to even argue about. Dead from the gate.

Like I said, so long as it doesn't restrict ownership it's not a bad idea. For example in Ohio any snake over 12' requires a yearly permit costing $150, and there are some requirements such as providing proper enclosures, etc. Basic things that we as owners should have alreadyI but in addition, you must have insurance /bonded for $100k-500k. Thats ridiculous. If you left out the expensive insurance requiments it wouldn't be a bad idea. But the latter simply makes it financially impossible for most people, therefore it in itself is a ban. And I know some people might complain that even $150 might be too expensive for some household income, to which I would argue that if you can't afford the small fee, you most likely can't afford to own such a large demanding animal.

[EL Ziggy]

I believe hots and giants should be regulated. Everybody shouldn't be allowed to own dangerous animals just like everybody shouldn't be allowed to drive cars or own firearms. Only those who have proven themselves to be capable, sane, and responsible should be given such privileges.

[DrummingT]

Here's the problem with this sort of blanket statement. What happens when your "rights" infringe upon my right to live?



I've decided I want to own a 20 foot Reticulated python and a 15 foot King Cobra.

I'm your next door neighbor.

How am I infringing upon your right to live?

[DrummingT]

I believe hots and giants should be regulated. Everybody shouldn't be allowed to own dangerous animals just like everybody shouldn't be allowed to drive cars or own firearms. Only those who have proven themselves to be capable, sane, and responsible should be given such privileges.


This is the FASCIST mentality.

The word "RESPONSIBLE" is the respectable terminology for:

"I hate stupid weirdos like you people and I'm going to have my police - who I pay for by taxing you - put their jackboots squarely on the back of your neck."

America has five percent of the worlds people and twenty-five percent of the worlds PRISONERS.

That is fascist lunacy of the Third Reich variety.

[EL Ziggy]

This is the FASCIST mentality.

The word "RESPONSIBLE" is the respectable terminology for:

"I hate stupid weirdos like you people and I'm going to have my police - who I pay for by taxing you - put their jackboots squarely on the back of your neck."

America has five percent of the worlds people and twenty-five percent of the worlds PRISONERS.

That is fascist lunacy of the Third Reich variety.

Really? It's fascist to think that every 15 year old kid shouldn't own a 15 ft retic, rattler, or cobra? Or to think that a person that has a demonstrated propensity for violence, a certifiable mental illness, or just can't shoot straight, shouldn't be able to legally own a firearm? Or that Stevie Wonder shouldn't be able to drive a car? That's third reich variety lunacy? I hear ya, to each his own.

[Sublimeballs]

I've decided I want to own a 20 foot Reticulated python and a 15 foot King Cobra.

I'm your next door neighbor.

How am I infringing upon your right to live?

Well, if you're not housing them properly or incapable of handling them they can get out and bad things can happen.... Remember the rock python killing the 2 small boy not long ago.


And by responsible i think he means people that are capable of caring for these animals in a way that's safe for them, the animal, and others.

[millertime89]

Well, if you're not housing them properly or incapable of handling them they can get out and bad things can happen.... Remember the rock python killing the 2 small boy not long ago.

And by responsible i think he means people that are capable of caring for these animals in a way that's safe for them, the animal, and others.

This. If you're not being responsible and I (or someone else) has to come in and clean up for your mistakes then that could directly put me at risk.

[millertime89]

And to equate this to Hitler's policies of throwing people in gas chambers and then burning their bodies is ridiculous and that kind of hyperbole does no good.

[EL Ziggy]

And to equate this to Hitler's policies of throwing people in gas chambers and then burning their bodies is ridiculous and that kind of hyperbole does no good.

^^Copy that^^

[DrummingT]

Well, if you're not housing them properly or incapable of handling them they can get out and bad things can happen.... Remember the rock python killing the 2 small boy not long ago.




The father murdered his two boys and used the python as a cover story, and apparently it worked. I thought Canadians were smarter than that, but perhaps not.

Even if I accept that story though, the python never left the owners house
so again, how in my example would I be infringing on YOUR right to live?

[Sublimeballs]

The idea that kids should be able to have hots or giants because they just should us a potential problem for our hobby. People already think that we're all crazy and that our animals are 1000x's more dangerous then they are. If more people thought like you publicly I'm fairly possitive bans would be in the works within weeks.

And constantly referring to people that don't agree with you as fascist, because you think kids and people that can't provide an escape proof cage should be allowed to have a black mamba, doesn't look great for the reptile hobby aswell.

On a side note I didn't know the nazis were opposed to people keeping reptiles. You learn something new everyday.lol sorry I couldn't resist.

[DrummingT]

And to equate this to Hitler's policies of throwing people in gas chambers and then burning their bodies is ridiculous and that kind of hyperbole does no good.

America has five percent of the worlds people and twenty-five percent of the worlds prisoners

Did you ever read George Orwell's "1984"?

You're living in it.

America looks like and is in fact a third world nation occupied by the Pentagon. The USA is divided up just as the Pentagon does over there, Green zones, Nowhere zones, and No-Go zones.

If you're not clear on this tell me what state you live in and I'll show you how it is divided up in this manner.

[Sublimeballs]

The father murdered his two boys and used the python as a cover story, and apparently it worked. I thought Canadians were smarter than that, but perhaps not.

Even if I accept that story though, the python never left the owners house
so again, how in my example would I be infringing on YOUR right to live?

Firstly you obviously don't know enough about the case to know they arnt his kids; so any speculations on what happened(especially when you present a something like that out as fact) from you is not going to be taken seriously.

Secondly, you belittle a nations worth of people(that this website was started for) and call us nazis? And again what you say isn't fact.

Third, you didn't specify anything with your question, this is a great example. the python killed two boys and was found quickly. What if the snake wasn't found right away? Snakes are escape artist and will get out of a house. What if a friend of a friend comes over and gets bit because the animal escaped or because you wanted to show off your king cobra?

[millertime89]

Stop arguing with the guy, it's pointless.

[DrummingT]

Firstly you obviously don't know enough about the case

How many urls did I post about separate incidents showing Americans committing mass murder with an automobile which any 18yr old can buy just by showing that he can make a K-turn?

How many urls of Americans being killed by their neighbors snakes have you posted?

Would you like me to post urls of Americans being killed and maimed by their neighbors DOGS for which NO RESTRICTIONS exist?

I'm waiting for those urls from you.

[Sublimeballs]

First of all..... I missed the memo on the URL competition. Oh well, there's always next year.


I never asked for urls or any evidence of something I obviously know. Thousands of pounds of moving metal are obviously dangerous. No one in there right mind would argue, as no one has here, otherwise.

Yes, dogs attack more people then any other animal in America. Again, I'm pretty sure 98% of the people on this site are well aware of that. Especially people concerned about the potential onset of new laws against our animals.

I don't need to provide you with evidence as I never said incidents were frequent, nor did I compare them to any other means of human demise. I made mention of one incident and possibilities, that's it. And I don't need to spoon feed you links about it. You seem to know alot about the case that the investigators and police don't.

On a final note, the quote used for your argument makes absolutely no sense what so ever and is taken completley out of some made up context . What does any of it have to do with you knowing about the incident in Canada with the rock python?

[DrummingT]

I never asked for urls or any evidence of something


I don't need to provide you with evidence as I never said incidents were frequent, nor did I compare them to any other means of human demise. I made mention of one incident and possibilities, that's it.




Yes, I've known since the beginning that EVIDENCE was of no importance to you.

For me it's a much different matter.

So do you admit that there is IN FACT.....NO EVIDENCE that these "dangerous reptiles" are actually dangerous IN PRACTICE?

If not, then produce urls to legit sources of Americans fatally injured by someone elses "dangerous reptile".

I would be just amazed if you could produce even one undebatable such fatality in the USA in the last 20 years.

On the other hand....automobiles, liquor, cigarettes...recreational boats, three wheeled recreational vehicles, motorcycles, bicycles, laughing while eating, eating too much food and dying of obesity related disease...

Please sir, some EVIDENCE to support your hysterical FEAR and the oppressive laws you want enacted which will inflict pain on your fellow Americans.

[LarryS]

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[StudentoReptile]

Here are the facts:

1.) We do not live in an ideal world. Despite the ideal that this hobby should police itself better, it simply does NOT. Hence the problems we have today. Period.

2.) No silly laws on the state or federal level are going to impact invasive pythons in south Florida; never have and never will. But it will not stop law-makers from trying. The laws also will not stop criminal activity much either; it doesn't stop criminals from illegally owning guns or drugs, does it?
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So we can argue about whether no regulation or some regulations is better, or how much American sucks and freedom is lost until the cows come home, but it does really change any of the above.

What DO we do then?

Do we just roll over and abide by whatever law comes down the pike, because its better to be the proverbial Boy Scout and keep our noses clean and separate ourselves from the idiots that continue to break the law?

Do we just keep on keeping what we want to keep, because we usually know what we're doing better than any stooge with a badge does, and the US govt ain't gonna tell us what we can and cannot do as long as it does not infringe on the right of someone else, and just be discreet about it?

Do we meet somewhere in the middle, oppose these laws whenever possible?

[Sublimeballs]

Yes, I've known since the beginning that EVIDENCE was of no importance to you.

For me it's a much different matter.

So do you admit that there is IN FACT.....NO EVIDENCE that these "dangerous reptiles" are actually dangerous IN PRACTICE?

If not, then produce urls to legit sources of Americans fatally injured by someone elses "dangerous reptile".

I would be just amazed if you could produce even one undebatable such fatality in the USA in the last 20 years.

On the other hand....automobiles, liquor, cigarettes...recreational boats, three wheeled recreational vehicles, motorcycles, bicycles, laughing while eating, eating too much food and dying of obesity related disease...

Please sir, some EVIDENCE to support your hysterical FEAR and the oppressive laws you want enacted which will inflict pain on your fellow Americans.


Oh my god, your reading comprehension scares me.

Did you figure out your "proof" that cars are dangerous meant nothing to me when I said "yes, cars are dangerous"? Gotta tell you, I figured out cars were dangerous when I was a little kid, aswell as dogs and guns. I could post up snake bite statistics from India and work that into my argument, but I don't have to as everyone knows venomous snakes are DANGEROUS.

Yes, i can tell you have a special place in your heart for your little urls.

No, I will not admit that there is no evidence that dangerous reptiles are dangerous because I don't care enough to post urls for you. You would have to be a complete idiot to think a cobra, or a saltwater croc, or a retic arnt dangerous. I own Retics, a young anaconda, and a pit viper; I know how dangerous these animals are as I deal with them everyday. Come on over to my place and try and handle my biggest retic while I have rabbits out thawing, it's not gonna end well unless you know what you're doing. Seeing how you say these animals aren't actually dangerous(your blinders blows my mind by the way), I'm going to guess you don't have any experience with them because people that DO have a respect for the power of the animal. You do not.

Once again I am not going to post urls. But if my memory serves me correctly I recall it being 11 fatalities in the last 20 or so years. A couple of which were very young children of the snake owners(someone else killed by an owners snake). Go ahead, look it up; I'm not spoon feeding it to you.

I did provide a recent incident where two boys were killed by the rock python, sorry its not in the country that suits this argument for you. And sorry that you for some reason don't believe it. All this asking me for proof, how about you prove those boys weren't killed by the snake.


You forgot war, vending machines, pools, and several other things that we all know kill more people then snake on your list.


Last but not least, the entire last paragraph is laughable. My hysterical fear, oppressive laws I want enacted? Where are you getting this crap? I failed to see the petition I've posted to BAN snakes, oh wait that's because the only oetition I've put on this site are to STOP the addition of more species to the Lacey act. All I've said is I would be for regulating as opposed to banning them. Never did I lay out and blue print for said regulations, nor did I speculate on how intense they'd be. youve just made up what my standpoint is. Anyone serious about owning a dangerous reptile(stop kiding yourself they are dangerous) shouldnt care about haveing to put in some hours with a mentor and having someone come round to check their caging. Once again regulation is rather unfeasible.

Now I can't wait to hear your rebuttal. I'm sure it will be lousy with wild accusations, ignoring common sense, putting words in others mouths, and more comparisons to Nazis. By the way, what are you 14-16?

[DrummingT]

no, i will not admit that there is no evidence



once again i am not going to post urls.




Case closed.

[Sublimeballs]

Oh my god, Kyle you were right. There's no point... Atleast anyone that reads this will get a good laugh.

As for the new thing I learned today... If you don't have urls, your cobras got no venom. Oh the future generations of Americans are looking bright.

[DrummingT]

As for the new thing I learned today... If you don't have urls, your cobras got no venom.


They have venom, but the venom will not end up in the owners neighbor.

You seem unable to comprehend this regardless of the effort made.

[Sublimeballs]

Because you're wrong. I didn't want to post any urls.....but you dug your grave for this one.(altough I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with me anyway, let me end this)

Escaped "Pet" Green Mamba bites man in Florida - AR15.COM (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/916671_Escaped_andamp_quot_Petandamp_quot__Green_M amba_bites_man_in_Florida.html)

By your logic people should just get a tiger instead of a cat because its their right. Never mind that 99% of people cant take care of them, least of all safely. and it isnt going to affect anyone cause its in a cage made of 2x2s, zip ties, and chicken wire.

There was just a case around me where a guy was keeping hots illegally and his friend got the bite not him. The snake is now at our local reptile rescue, i can give you the number if youd like. Once again not the owner.

Teen bitten by poisonous snake at Reidsville friend's home | Local News - Home (http://m.wxii12.com/news/teen-bitten-by-poisonous-snake-at-reidsville-friends-home/24662036)

You fail to see the big picture, have you even thought about say, you get a mamba get bit and die. How's that look on all of us. Makes us all look like a bunch of idiots that don't know our limits and are a threat to everyone else. You've babbled on and on about America you know how we're seen in the eyes of the public. Think... Venomous or giant related death equals bans. Think about what happend in Ohio and the bans that led to. Or how many states jumped on that bandwagon because of the rock python in Canada. Even South Carolina(a still untouched reptile heaven) was trying to pass laws a couple months ago.

And seeing as you seem dead set on a snake will never get to a neighbors. Ask anyone living in Florida, there's been plenty of snakes that shouldn't be there(not talking about the Burms released by Andrew). I grew up there and can remember a retic, and an albino burm being found in my home town. Post up on as many forums as you'd like and ask how many people that had a snake escape that was never found. Snakes can get out of houses, why do you think people find shedding in their attics?

Since you don't believe the incident in Canada here's one from the states that is a perfect example of someone else suffering because of irresponsible owners.

Family tragedy: Pet python kills 2-year-old toddler - Atlanta Northside Family & Parenting | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/family-tragedy-pet-python-kills-2-year-old-toddler)

[Sublimeballs]

There you got your urls. Now are they dangerous? Its like talking to a wall.

[DrummingT]

"According to various reports, the mother’s live-in boyfriend owned the killer python, plus a 6-foot boa constrictor, but did not have the proper license to keep either one in a home setting. "

Laws like this only impact the weak who obey them. Those folks are harassed and their lives needlessly constricted like the guy on here living in Ohio who wants to own snakes but is afraid of the fascists who control his state.

Are snakes really a problem in Florida? I know for a fact that boas and pythons were living in the wild in Florida 40 years ago. Everyone wasn't carrying a video camera in their pocket then and there was more wild land and less people living there. Those are the circumstances that have changed.

Unfortunately, the media in the USA promotes fear and hatred 24/7 as the filthy rich who own it practice their divide and conquer strategy against
their enemy...the American people.

You can either directly fight them or you can submit to their will. You will not find any third way to defeat them.

Miami Face-Eating Attack Lasted 18 Agonizing Minutes - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/miami-face-eating-attack-lasted-18-agonizing-minutes/story?id=16458696)

Florida has much bigger problems than snakes. The real problem can be circled at the Ocean Reef Club in Key Largo. Instead of creating a civilized society as was done in Canada and Europe they stole all the money and use the media they own to tell us that we are the problem.

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"According to various reports, the mother’s live-in boyfriend owned the killer python, plus a 6-foot boa constrictor, but did not have the proper license to keep either one in a home setting. "

Laws like this only impact the weak who obey them.

This kind of attitude is the problem. People who disobey the law only do damage to the reputation of those that obey the law and, when caught, cause harsher laws to be put into effect further exacerbating the issue. Is it right for all of the people who are following the law to be punished for the actions of the idiots who don't? No, but that's the kind of world we live in.