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BagnaraSnakes16
04-30-14, 09:17 PM
I have been looking on this thread for information on pure super dwarfs. I couldnt find much though. Maybe the threads were too far down and i became too lazy. I am fascinated with Retics and want to experience their nature and personality without jumping to the biggins just yet. I was wondering if anyone knew of any reputable breeders for pure super dwarf. I forget what island they are from thats why i refer them to SD. Also any advice for this type of retic in comparison to others will be greatly appreciated.
BagnaraSnakes16
05-01-14, 06:52 AM
Was this an ignorant post? or does no one know much about these snakes and who breeds the pure dwarfs?
jpsteele80
05-01-14, 06:58 AM
You can probably find one from Bob clark, I'm pretty sure he breeds them but you will also pay primo price because of his name, have you tried fauna classifieds yet, should be able to find one there easily.
Travis kubes is one of the go to guys on pure sd localities. If I remember correctly, pure males can be bought for around $350-400.
BagnaraSnakes16
05-01-14, 10:40 AM
Travis kubes is one of the go to guys on pure sd localities. If I remember correctly, pure males can be bought for around $350-400.
Thats not too bad at all actually. I like a lot of the pure looks these retics have to offer. Ill eventually get into bigger ones with the beautiful morphs but i want to learn their behavior first with the smaller guys.
Travis is a reputable breeder of retics. Also Kris Brown of Vital Exotics has amazing animals as well, Kris is a member on this board. I have a 50% SD from Bob Clark, I do not know if he's working with pure SD or not.
nick654377
05-01-14, 01:29 PM
kris over at vital exotics have many very nice retics from all sizes. I have been eyeing a few but don't have the space yet. also reptileexperts I believe has a vast knowledge of many.
Sublimeballs
05-01-14, 06:05 PM
Okay sorry long day at work. I got your pm earlier just couldn't get on til now.
Pure locale dwarf and super dwarf Retics are by far my favorite animals to keep. I've got a pair of jampeas and a pair of kalatoas and love them to death. Locales are becoming harder and harder to find(whith a few exceptions), and are at great risk of dropping off completely from the US pet trade if import laws are passed.
Dwarf retics:
Selayar- from the island of selayar, south off the coast of Sulawesi. These look very similar to the Sulawesi retics. Crazy patterns, incredible colors, some of the best looking retics in the world. They are considered dwarf by some and mid sized by others. They usually fall in the range of 10-16 feet.
(True dwarves)
Jampea- these originate from the island of tanahjampea, just south of Sulawesi(where some true giants grow). These are one of my favorite retic locales. Tons of personality, completely insane feeding response(so much so they arnt recomended as a first retic even though they are dwarves). Jamps usually fall in the 8-12 foot range but have gotten to 17 feet( Jason gaspars). I have a female that i got from bob clark, turns out shes a gaspar line jamp and ill be amazed if she gets over 12 feet.
Kayuadi - from the island of kayuadi(gets pretty predictable, I know). Kayuadi is within eye sight just north of tanahjampea; and as expected the kaydu's are very similar to the jamps. These top out a little smaller then the jamps. Usually in the 8-11 foot range, but I've heard of 14.
Halmahera - honestly not possitive exactly where these go on the size scale. I haven't seen any adults yet, but they're said to get about 8-10 feet long. These things are BEAUTIFUL, just incredible looking Retics. I really can't tell you much about these as I haven't found any info on them I trust.
Super dwarves
Madu- aka "honey island". Honey island is the translation of the island of madu. These are hard to find pures in the states(as are most of the dwarves), can't speak for other countries. These typically top out around 6-9 feet, 10 at the extreme.
Kalatoa - from kalatoa. the smallest of the known retics, and the original super dwarf retics( name coined by Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks. The importer didnt tell them where they came from for several years. Bob later found out and I've heard it from his mouth.). These look very similar to madus with more red as opposed to yellow pigment. Adults typically range from 5-8 feet. Travis kubes has some of the best pure kalatoas. I got my pair from him. He said the females typically top out 7-7.5 feet. But can hit nearly 10 feet.
Now as far as getting one a pure kalatoa from Travis kubes is your only sure thing. I asked him earlier this week and he's got some in the oven now. Expect $350 a male and $500 a female, or like $750 a pair. Depending on your budget he should also have some pure kalatoa anery hatchlings soon. Bob Clark no longer has pure locales as of the last few times I've called to inquire. Vital exotics doesn't anything other then mainland crosses(incredible stuff that stays small if pure isn't a necessity) and maybe kalatoas(it's been awhile since I spoke with him).most of the big names arnt working with pure stuff anymore cause morphs get more attention. But Travis breeds pure every year.
As for the other locales; WC or farmed imports that have been properly treated for internal and external parasites are the only option. I do know of a few people(myself included) that will have CB pure dwarf locales in coming years but none this year. The go to people for imports are Rodney Boalich and Aubrey Pruitt. they are the 2 to talk to when it comes to pure locales(not just dwarves). Dan at DM exotics gets in some WC imports sometimes aswell, and treats them for parasites.
As far as differences between mainlands and their dwarf cousins, not much. A little flighty, constantly trying to climb, jamps have crazy feed responses. For the most part you do get a big retic in a small package.
Hope this helps.
Awesome post Sublimeballs. You know anyone who breeds Selayers? I'd love to find a male.
Sublimeballs
05-01-14, 07:00 PM
Thanks, its easy to talk about these animals theyre awesome snakes. Do you have a female??? I'm waiting to hear if there's any he can grab when Aubrey Pruitt orders another shipment from Indonesia. The next retic purchase I make is going to be either a pair of selayars or halmaheras. It's a tough choice. I do know of someone that will be producing some cb pure selayars possibly next year if things go well, but he told me not to say much about it.
No I don't have a female. Ohio's laws are ridiculous and any snake over 12' requires a yearly permit and $250,000 insurance. I'm comfortable with a male staying under this size. I have a buddy that has all his permits if size became an issue, but I'd rather try to avoid that. A female has too high of a likelihood to surpass that size limit. I'd like to find cb so that I can find out the size of the parents and determine if it's likely to stay under 12'.
Sublimeballs
05-01-14, 07:58 PM
Have you looked into the halmaheras? They're supposed to stay in the 8-10 range and look similar to selayars. Check them out. But selayars are so cool. I wish I had all the space and help to keep one of every locale. The sulawesi Retics are a dream of mine that I can't see happening anytime soon.
No I'll check them out. I love the look of the Selayer locality. Sulawesi is my favorite but I doubt that will become a reality anytime soon. But Selayer looks like a mini Sula.
sharthun
05-02-14, 08:21 AM
Very informative post! Thanks!
Okay sorry long day at work. I got your pm earlier just couldn't get on til now.
Pure locale dwarf and super dwarf Retics are by far my favorite animals to keep. I've got a pair of jampeas and a pair of kalatoas and love them to death. Locales are becoming harder and harder to find(whith a few exceptions), and are at great risk of dropping off completely from the US pet trade if import laws are passed.
Dwarf retics:
Selayar- from the island of selayar, south off the coast of Sulawesi. These look very similar to the Sulawesi retics. Crazy patterns, incredible colors, some of the best looking retics in the world. They are considered dwarf by some and mid sized by others. They usually fall in the range of 10-16 feet.
(True dwarves)
Jampea- these originate from the island of tanahjampea, just south of Sulawesi(where some true giants grow). These are one of my favorite retic locales. Tons of personality, completely insane feeding response(so much so they arnt recomended as a first retic even though they are dwarves). Jamps usually fall in the 8-12 foot range but have gotten to 17 feet( Jason gaspars). I have a female that i got from bob clark, turns out shes a gaspar line jamp and ill be amazed if she gets over 12 feet.
Kayuadi - from the island of kayuadi(gets pretty predictable, I know). Kayuadi is within eye sight just north of tanahjampea; and as expected the kaydu's are very similar to the jamps. These top out a little smaller then the jamps. Usually in the 8-11 foot range, but I've heard of 14.
Halmahera - honestly not possitive exactly where these go on the size scale. I haven't seen any adults yet, but they're said to get about 8-10 feet long. These things are BEAUTIFUL, just incredible looking Retics. I really can't tell you much about these as I haven't found any info on them I trust.
Super dwarves
Madu- aka "honey island". Honey island is the translation of the island of madu. These are hard to find pures in the states(as are most of the dwarves), can't speak for other countries. These typically top out around 6-9 feet, 10 at the extreme.
Kalatoa - from kalatoa. the smallest of the known retics, and the original super dwarf retics( name coined by Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks. The importer didnt tell them where they came from for several years. Bob later found out and I've heard it from his mouth.). These look very similar to madus with more red as opposed to yellow pigment. Adults typically range from 5-8 feet. Travis kubes has some of the best pure kalatoas. I got my pair from him. He said the females typically top out 7-7.5 feet. But can hit nearly 10 feet.
Now as far as getting one a pure kalatoa from Travis kubes is your only sure thing. I asked him earlier this week and he's got some in the oven now. Expect $350 a male and $500 a female, or like $750 a pair. Depending on your budget he should also have some pure kalatoa anery hatchlings soon. Bob Clark no longer has pure locales as of the last few times I've called to inquire. Vital exotics doesn't anything other then mainland crosses(incredible stuff that stays small if pure isn't a necessity) and maybe kalatoas(it's been awhile since I spoke with him).most of the big names arnt working with pure stuff anymore cause morphs get more attention. But Travis breeds pure every year.
As for the other locales; WC or farmed imports that have been properly treated for internal and external parasites are the only option. I do know of a few people(myself included) that will have CB pure dwarf locales in coming years but none this year. The go to people for imports are Rodney Boalich and Aubrey Pruitt. they are the 2 to talk to when it comes to pure locales(not just dwarves). Dan at DM exotics gets in some WC imports sometimes aswell, and treats them for parasites.
As far as differences between mainlands and their dwarf cousins, not much. A little flighty, constantly trying to climb, jamps have crazy feed responses. For the most part you do get a big retic in a small package.
Hope this helps.
Sublimeballs
05-02-14, 08:32 AM
No problem guys. The OP sent me a PM asking for info on the locales so I thought I'd put a little bit up for everyone to reference.
I know exactly what you mean about selayars being mini sulas. But the halmaheras I've seen in person looked even more like sulas. Here's a pic of one I saw at the last reptile show. I wanted to leave with this guy but he was t for sale. I did almost leave with a 50% selayar sunfire 66% het genetic stripe but I fought the urge in favore of a halmahera or selayar becoming available in the future.
Dang that's a nice looking critter. I'll Def have to check them out.
Sublimeballs
05-02-14, 04:34 PM
They go for around $700-$900. I don't know of any for sale right now but both Rodney and Aubrey should be getting some in(and selayars hopefully) sometime soon. Can't remember if I said this before or not but Rodney was supposed to get in some selayars but they actually sent him sulas. It's a good thing he knows his stuff, imagine that mix up.
BagnaraSnakes16
05-02-14, 09:40 PM
No problem guys. The OP sent me a PM asking for info on the locales so I thought I'd put a little bit up for everyone to reference.
I know exactly what you mean about selayars being mini sulas. But the halmaheras I've seen in person looked even more like sulas. Here's a pic of one I saw at the last reptile show. I wanted to leave with this guy but he was t for sale. I did almost leave with a 50% selayar sunfire 66% het genetic stripe but I fought the urge in favore of a halmahera or selayar becoming available in the future.
thank a lot that helped and answer all my questions! now i just gotta contact them which has not been easy lol. Once again thank you and everyone else who pitched in.
Sublimeballs
05-02-14, 10:17 PM
Travis kubes is usually a little hard to get ahold of, he's got a wife and kids and owns a construction company. He's a very busy man, but keep trying him. He's got some of the best customer service, not to mention his animals, and is just all around a great guy to deal with. Still going to he a few months on the kalatoas but they're worth the wait.
Tsubaki
05-04-14, 02:35 AM
Selayars look amazing, i had a breeding couple. There is a large breeder in germany, thats where i got my female. I however doubt they export to the usa, i had to drive for a day to pick her up.
Sublimeballs
05-04-14, 06:32 AM
I wish all I had to do was drive a day to get some selayars. Kalatoas are the only dwarf locale being bred in enough numbers to notice them in the market here. None of the big names are doing locales because morphs make more money.
millertime89
05-05-14, 10:28 PM
If you call Travis he'll usually get back to you within 48 hours.
Halmaheras are nice if you can find them.
Go to Aubrey before you go to Rodney. I'll never do business with Rodney and I know a lot of other people that are of the same opinion.
I see Sublime has cribbed some of my notes on retics... ;) He missed a few of the bigger localities but he got the majority of them.
BagnaraSnakes16
05-06-14, 02:34 PM
If you call Travis he'll usually get back to you within 48 hours.
Halmaheras are nice if you can find them.
Go to Aubrey before you go to Rodney. I'll never do business with Rodney and I know a lot of other people that are of the same opinion.
I see Sublime has cribbed some of my notes on retics... ;) He missed a few of the bigger localities but he got the majority of them.
how can i get a hold of Aubrey?
Sublimeballs
05-06-14, 05:49 PM
Facebook, he's on all the time. I probably should have grabbed a card from him at the show.
Sublimeballs
05-06-14, 05:50 PM
I don't think he's got any pure dwarf stuff right now. But he should be ordering a shipment soon.
millertime89
05-06-14, 06:24 PM
Yeah, hit him up on FB. If you can't get ahold of him you can contact his brother Samson who can help as well.
Sublimeballs
05-06-14, 06:26 PM
Go to Aubrey before you go to Rodney. I'll never do business with Rodney and I know a lot of other people that are of the same opinion.
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I've personally not had to many interactions with Rodney, and never bought anything from him. This is the first I'm hearing of this. PM me i want to know more, might save me some problems if the future.
I see Sublime has cribbed some of my notes on retics... He missed a few of the bigger localities but he got the majority of them.
Lol. I actually debated wether or not to include selayars in the list.
Speaking of which.....know anyone selling pure selayars, or balis?
millertime89
05-06-14, 06:33 PM
Check with Jeff Wilson for Selayers, he's always got something cooking with them, not sure if he's got any pure ones right now. No idea on the Balis. I'll PM you later.
reptileexperts
05-07-14, 06:18 PM
Tic and balls also deals with high % Selayers, but not exactly "pure". The search for pures is tough, even if you are working directly with an import batch you absolutely can not verify the origin. The only way to get exactly what you want is to fly to the country, collect your snake, and then have someone export it out for you and then import it back into the states. People will falsely label locals to get them to sell quicker if they notice a trend. While many DO have a very unique look to them, some can be quite subtle.
As mentioned, Travis kubes will be your best bet for a pure SD, but want to check with him quick in order to ensure you can at least get in on the clutch as many people nab them very quick. Kris at Vital exotics has an adult SD anery for 1250 last time I visited his page, that IS a pure SD (Kalatoa).
I have a 50% Jampea Goldenchild het albino, and the jampea blood makes it simply glow. Its a male and ready to breed now at only 5.5-6' roughly.
http://www.pbase.com/codyconway/image/153365001/large.jpg
Sublimeballs
05-07-14, 07:07 PM
Tics and balls are local to me so I see them at a lot of shows. The highest percentage selayars they have are 43%(crazy amount of selayar influence though). I all most bought a 43% selayar sunfire het GS for a price so good they told me not to say what it was at the last show but decided not to in favor of a pure. I'm also looking at some Bantaengs right now. I don't think ill get them because I can only get so many Retics and I'm not sure if I'd perfer the Bantaengs to selayars.
I know what you mean about them being mislabled. i got a pure kayuadi when i bought my first male "jamp". Aubrey is really good with identifying locales and even has some "selayars" right now that he doesn't trust, so he doesn't sell them as selayars. Unless its a known CB line your safest bet is to get from someone who you trust knows there stuff enough to know when things are wrong.
Awesome jamp GC. Jamps are my favorite locales. I haven't owned a cross but pures are, in my opinion, the prefect Retic. Stay a decent size, smart as can be, insane feeding response, beautiful, and gentle when handled.
Great Mormon
05-08-14, 05:31 AM
I think we should make this thread sticky just incase anyone needs to find more information with regards to dwarf and super dwarf localities and sizes. Great write up btw!
Sublimeballs
05-08-14, 07:44 AM
That's a good idea. I could make a bigger list of more locales too if that might help.
millertime89
05-08-14, 11:45 AM
That's a good idea. I could make a bigger list of more locales too if that might help.
I'm working on that now actually. I was going to make that thread either later tonight or tomorrow.
BagnaraSnakes16
05-08-14, 06:08 PM
sounds like an awesome idea. thanks for all your guys help!
BagnaraSnakes16
05-13-14, 02:25 PM
ok so sorry to bring this post up again but i talked to Aubrey Pruitt. Real nice guy and answered all my questions, but i found out that the pure SD stuff he sells are imports from indonesia. I personally think this is kinda cool but was wondering if anyone had experience with his imports or imports in general? are they more aggressive? if anyone has info on imports on retics dont be shy to reply please. Also is there anyone you guys know of that foes CB Pure SD
millertime89
05-15-14, 06:28 PM
Travis Kubes should have some CB pure SD's. The WC stuff can be a little more flighty and bitey than CB animals. They'll also urinate and defecate a little more readily in defense. The babies tend to calm down with some work. The adults can be really hit and miss unfortunately.
upshotphx
05-16-14, 12:16 AM
I'm hoping to have a clutch of pure Madus in the next few weeks that I got from Aubrey. Also I know someone on the dwarf and SD Facebook page is selling two hatchlings that he bought off Rodney. I bought one of the siblings. Nice snakes. They are 75% Madu, 25% kalatoa.
Sublimeballs
05-16-14, 09:19 AM
I'm hoping to have a clutch of pure Madus in the next few weeks that I got from Aubrey. Also I know someone on the dwarf and SD Facebook page is selling two hatchlings that he bought off Rodney. I bought one of the siblings. Nice snakes. They are 75% Madu, 25% kalatoa.
Keep me updated on the pure Madus. I know someone that's interested in a female and I might grab a pair off you.
millertime89
05-16-14, 02:51 PM
A friend locally has a pair of pure Madu's as well, they should be breeding this year. Really want a pair of my own.
Theweinz
05-16-14, 03:53 PM
I'm working on that now actually. I was going to make that thread either later tonight or tomorrow.
Awesome! Look forward to seeing it.
millertime89
05-16-14, 05:49 PM
Awesome! Look forward to seeing it.
Still working on it. Have to sort the good information from the bad.
upshotphx
05-17-14, 01:56 AM
A friend locally has a pair of pure Madu's as well, they should be breeding this year. Really want a pair of my own.
I will keep you posted. Thanks.Poo
Sublimeballs
05-18-14, 06:40 AM
Cool, looking forward to a message from either of you about some pure madus hatchlings. Hey Kyle is it anyone I might know that has the madus?
millertime89
05-19-14, 04:09 PM
Mike Chambers
Sublimeballs
05-19-14, 07:32 PM
He did mention he had some, but didnt sound sure they'd be going this year. I'm gonna have to give him a call or send him a message.
millertime89
05-21-14, 06:28 PM
He did mention he had some, but didnt sound sure they'd be going this year. I'm gonna have to give him a call or send him a message.
I should see what that hillbilly is up to. He's maybe 20 minutes away from me.
Sublimeballs
05-21-14, 08:33 PM
I should see what that hillbilly is up to. He's maybe 20 minutes away from me.
He said next year on the madus. That's crazy you're so close to these people. I've got Aubrey and tics and balls in the same state as me but not that close.
On a side note Aubrey has some pure selayars up for sale right now for anyone interested. My extra money is tied up in new caging and car repair at the moment.
millertime89
05-21-14, 08:39 PM
I'm waiting on his Cerams to breed so I can get a pair of them. Holy smokes batman do those look great.
Sublimeballs
05-21-14, 09:13 PM
He does have some seram imports aswell, I need to sell some old tanks and some of the rediculous amout of nissan parts i have quick.lol.
Still haven't found anything to trust worthy on the size of serams(cerams) but they are a cool locale.
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