Enrofloxacin suspension 30mg/ml

[snake_girl]

okay well I've been away for about a month moving and such which is why I haven't been around and why I had to leave my snakes at a friends house, a friend I asumed would take proper care of my snakes, I was seriously wrong, My oldest Ball python has developed Belly (scale) rot.

she had told me over the phone that the snake had burnt its belly so I insturcted her to apply polysporn, she negelected to tell me that the cage had only been cleaned once the hole two months I was parted from them.

I'm sorry that I'm going on about this its just I'm very angry, anyways I rushed my bp to the vet and he gave me a perscription of Enrofloxcin .2 mls orally for ten days

I wanted to check here to make sure if that was an okay treament because its a new vet and I wasn't sure, I tired getting a hold of my old vet but are phone isn't working and such.

please if there is anything I should be warned about tell me before i give it to her.

thank you for your time
Grace

ps: make sure you trust the person completely before leaving your animals with them. I learned from my foolish mistake and it will never happen again.

[Corey Woods]

If I'm not mistaken Enrofloxcin is Baytril. I hate Baytril and refuse to use the crap. Personally, I'd go with Fortaz (Ceftazidime) injectable at 20mg/kg every 3 days. That should clear everything up nicely if you think that the scale rot is too bad for just a topical cream to take care of (polysporin). Fortaz will take care of RI infections, mouth rot as well as skin infections.

Corey

[snake_girl]

Its all I was given, she was given an ejection but the vet said that i should orally feed her the med for ten days and that would clear it up.

should I call the vet and ask him for a different perscription, I'd rather like to avoid harming my snake again.

thank you for you help
Grace

[J_Riley]

Baytril will not harm the snake, but it might not do as much good either. Oral baytril, to me, is a complete waste of time, injections are much more useful.

If the scale rot isn't too advanced, a little soak in some diluted betadine can help (in addition to meds). Just be sure you get the weaker strength and dilute it with water until it looks like weak tea, roughly 10:1

[tightsqueeze]

i agree with corey on this one i asked a vet for you and he said almost exactly what corey did!

good luck a
nd keep us posted


jay

[snake_girl]

this is a post i posted early tonigh and seem to be getting no answers there so if you guys know the answer to this question could you please inform me :) that would be great heres the post:

Just about 15 minutes ago I gave my BP .2 mls of her meds, for anyone that’s dealt with this stuff, its really, really sticky and gooey and as I was pulling the syringe out some of the discharge was dripping from the tip of the syring and got in her mouth, now she’s making wheezing noises, and has a little bit of saliva bubbling from her mouth I think it got in her wind pipe! This has never happened to me and I’ve done this sort of thing a lot. What should I do? Will she correct the problem herself? Or am I in deep crap?

Any advice would be great!
Grace

[Corey Woods]

Grace,

That is one of the reasons why I do not like oral medications. You place the meds in the mouth/throat and the snake wants to puke it up and you end up getting more meds comming out of the snake than what went in. Plus it is very stressful for the animal on top of the initial problem with the snake. That is why I prefer injectable meds. If you put 1ml in a syringe and inject it into the snake you know the snake got 1ml where is if you inject 1ml of meds into the snakes mouth probably only .2 mls got injested and .8ml got puke up and smeared all over the cage. IMHO most injectable meds (except Baytril) would be easier to administer to a snake than to inject it into their mouth/throat.

Corey

[Lisa]

Not to mention if the snake is bitey it could hurt you or the snake trying to give the snake it's meds

[snake_girl]

some of the brown infected scales are peeling off? is that okay???

[Corey Woods]

That is normal. Keep putting on the polysporin twice a day until the snake sheds. It'll probably be a very messy shed and does be surprised if most if not all the scales come off in separate peices.

Corey

[snake_girl]

shes having a single scale shed :( how can I make it easier on her is there a way that i can with out getting the infected area wet?

thanks again everyone for you help
Grace

[Phantom]

My adult male bp is developping the exact same thing. At the begining, I also though this was a burn, but the brown scales are just getting worst. It's been 10 days since I noticed his belly was not normal. I transferred him to a tupperware with scott-towel as a substrate and only a small bowl of water and an upside down plastic flower pot as a hide box. I'm applying polysporin once a day but it doesn't seem to get better.
Does anyone know of a good vet in the montreal area? I want to get my bp treated before it gets any worst. I'me reaaly worried and if anyone has any tips to make the situation any better for my snake, it would be reeeeally appreciated.

I hope everything will go well ....

Phantom

[Pixie]

A good vet in Montreal for reptiles is Dr. Gauvin, has been referred to me by various different sources, specializes in reptiles and is supposed to be really good.

Here's the info I have:
Dr. Jean Gauvin
Clinique Vet. Lachine
1295 Prévost, Lachine
514-634-4190

(Just check the # in the phone book to be sure, I have it written on a peice of paper and the second number could either be a 3 or an 8!!!)

Good luck,
Pixie

[Phantom]

Thanks Pixie!

I'll make sure to call him (her?) this after noon. I just hope I can get an appointment quick, I don't want to wait too long ....


Phantom

[Pixie]

Your welcome :) Good luck with your snake, I hope it heals quick.

That of course goes for you too Snake girl

[snake_girl]

mines not scale rot I guess everyone is saying it looks more like a burn go check out my post in the General area and look at the pictures i took of the infected area...does it look like what your snakes got?

Grace

[Iguanalady]

Two things to remember about antibiotics. First diferent kinds of bacterial infections need different antibiotics. Sometimes baytril will have no effect on an organism and something else is called for. Sometimes its the drug of choice. There are two ways to tell what antibiotic to use. The most common is trial and error. The best way is by having a culture and sensitivity done which will identify the organism and tests it to determine which drug will have an effect. The next thing to remember is that you need to know things about a drug before you use it. Many antibiotics are toxic to the kidneys if the animal is dehydrated. So proper hydration is critical. Baytril is a good one. It is rendered useless if given orally with calcium at the same time. So if you are treating with oral baytril and oral calcium give them several hours apart or you will not get any results.

[Jeff Hathaway]

For topical antibiotics, I would try to use Flammazine rather than Polysporin. Flammazine (silver sulfadiazene) is a presciption product, so you would need to get it from a vet, but it is more effective against the gram negative bacteria that are typically found in reptilian infections.

Corey, I agree with you about IM injections being much better than oral dosing, in most cases. I'm wondering why you hate Baytril though?

Jeff Hathaway
Sciensational Sssnakes!!

[Corey Woods]

Jeff,

I hate Baytril for a couple reasons:

1) The stuff is very painful to administer. Injectable Baytril burns when injected causing a lot of discomfort to the snake. If the snake flinches while being injected the needle will pop out which causes the outer layer of scales to died. When the outer scales are killed off by baytril they scar up and never heal properly.

2) I don't believe the stuff works very well.....if at all on Respiratory Infections. The animals that I've administered Baytril too I either stop injected them and cooked them to get the RI out or I switched over to a more effective drug.

3) Baytril is carcenogenic (sp???) which means it's not safe to use in the breeding season.

4) Baytril is injected every day which is very stressful for the snake.

Right now I highly recommed Fortaz (Ceftazidime) for RI, Mouth Rot, Skin Infections and any other bacterial infections. It is pain free when being injected (which comes in handy when you are giving some to a 70lb snake). It works extremely well cleaning infections up in 2-3 weeks (where as I've used Baytril at twice the recommended dosage for over 2 months without the snake getting noticably better). Fortaz is safe to use on breeding and gravid animals and is injected every 3 days which is less stressful for the animals.

Corey

[snake_girl]

Thanks everyone for your wonderful help! thanks to this sight and the great adivse I recived my snake is well on her way to a healthy life....

Thanks again,
Grace