Uh-oh. I'm probably gonna' be in trouble

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

Just noticed Repticon is going to be in Greenville next weekend. Being in South Carolina, I know there will be lots of Corns there....My favorite. What to do, what to do? Don't really want a divorce right now though. LOL!!!??? :shocked::shocked:

[EL Ziggy]

LOL. I've been in your shoes T. It took me about 5 months to soften my girlfriend up to the idea of me getting my 3rd snake. I had the holiday season working in my favor too. Have you tried foot rubs, flowers, candy, dinner, shoes or jewelry? You don't have a lot of time to sway minds with the show being next week and all but you may have better luck in the spring/summer. The hero gets the prize AND the girll ;) Best wishes buddy.

[Jim Smith]

BigT,

I believe it is still illegal to keep corn snakes in Georgia as they are considered a native species. The laws do not differentiate between the different color morphs, it just says that you may not legally keep Corn Snakes if you reside in Georgia.

Just something to consider.

[Jinxygirl]

My boyfriend can't say no to me when it comes to getting new animals because I am the one the takes care of them lol. I take care of the animals that he bought for him self as well haha :rolleyes:

[Terranaut]

Illegal to keep in GA

Keeping Georgia Wildlife as Pets | Georgia DNR - Wildlife Resources Division (http://www.georgiawildlife.com/NativeWildlifeLaws)

Hope this helps....well I guess it rains on your parade with corns on the list but...... :)

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

BigT,

I believe it is still illegal to keep corn snakes in Georgia as they are considered a native species. The laws do not differentiate between the different color morphs, it just says that you may not legally keep Corn Snakes if you reside in Georgia.

Just something to consider.

Yes it is. But if I get one in SC, who will know (except for everyone that will now read this and tell someone.) LOL!!! Had a few before.

[CK SandBoas]

Yes it is. But if I get one in SC, who will know (except for everyone that will now read this and tell someone.) LOL!!! Had a few before.

It's nice to know you're willing to break the law.....

[Cruddown]

Illegal to keep in GA

Keeping Georgia Wildlife as Pets | Georgia DNR - Wildlife Resources Division (http://www.georgiawildlife.com/NativeWildlifeLaws)

Hope this helps....well I guess it rains on your parade with corns on the list but...... :)

I wouldn't say you're raining on his parade; you're helping whittle down the choices of all the other awesome snakes there are out there to consider. There are so many snakes out there I want and it would be nice to have the field narrowed down sometimes!

[Sublimeballs]

You do realize this thread will be on google, right? And anyone can see this.

[lewis13]

Yeah probably not the smartest move to advertise considering breaking the law. lol

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

It's nice to know you're willing to break the law.....

Eh, don't we all, in one way or another sometimes? I think DNR should concentrate on the real law breakers. Poachers, Trespassing etc.

[CK SandBoas]

Eh, don't we all, in one way or another sometimes? I think DNR should concentrate on the real law breakers. Poachers, Trespassing etc.

Unbelievable...... That is the difference between you and me......I am not willing to keep anything that is not legal to keep. I am not willing to put this hobby that i love at risk because of pure selfishness.....All my animals that i keep are legal to keep, if they weren't, i would find new homes for them, because that would be the right thing to do.


Your attitude sucks, pure and simple.....try and start thinking of others before your own wants, jackass....

[psychocircus]

Unbelievable...... That is the difference between you and me......I am not willing to keep anything that is not legal to keep. I am not willing to put this hobby that i love at risk because of pure selfishness.....All my animals that i keep are legal to keep, if they weren't, i would find new homes for them, because that would be the right thing to do.


Your attitude sucks, pure and simple.....try and start thinking of others before your own wants, jackass....

What happened to no name-calling? I am not condoning keeping anything illegal, but do you truly believe he's going to endanger the hobby by buying a single corn snake?

[Shann]

You do realize this thread will be on google, right? And anyone can see this.

Not only is it on google, animal rights and law enforcement groups do monitor these websites from time to time. I really can't support or agree with anyone breaking the laws. The laws are stupid in many cases, but I don't think it reflects well on the community. I think that with the risk our hobby is at we need to consider what affect our actions could have on others.

[CK SandBoas]

What happened to no name-calling? I am not condoning keeping anything illegal, but do you truly believe he's going to endanger the hobby by buying a single corn snake?

I apologize for the name calling.....but with all the legislation that is going on here, even keeping one illegal animal can be detrimental to this hobby....Why is it so difficult to understand the word "illegal".....

[psychocircus]

I apologize for the name calling.....but with all the legislation that is going on here, even keeping one illegal animal can be detrimental to this hobby....Why is it so difficult to understand the word "illegal".....


I think the best approach would be to warn the OP of the possible consequences of smuggling an animal into his/her state and suggest alternatives.

OP: In my opinion there are kingsnakes and ratsnakes that have patterns fairly similar and equally beautiful as the corns. Are there certain morphs you like? Perhaps we can help out more.

[Terranaut]

I think the best approach would be to warn the OP of the possible consequences of smuggling an animal into his/her state and suggest alternatives.

OP: In my opinion there are kingsnakes and ratsnakes that have patterns fairly similar and equally beautiful as the corns. Are there certain morphs you like? Perhaps we can help out more.

Unfortunately kings and rats are both on the "do not keep " list for GA

[psychocircus]

Unfortunately kings and rats are both on the "do not keep " list for GA

all of them? even with the variety of species? that's crazy

[Terranaut]

Interpret the link as you will.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

Unbelievable...... That is the difference between you and me......I am not willing to keep anything that is not legal to keep. I am not willing to put this hobby that i love at risk because of pure selfishness.....All my animals that i keep are legal to keep, if they weren't, i would find new homes for them, because that would be the right thing to do.


Your attitude sucks, pure and simple.....try and start thinking of others before your own wants, jackass....

It's our government that makes bullshit like this illegal in the first place. Look at all of the things that "should be" illegal, but there are too many pussies running this country......And yes, my attitude does suck. I got tired of taking **** from people a long time ago. (My opinion)

[Tsubaki]

I don't even live on the same continent.. However, owning native snakes is not-done here either (Nearly all native animal species are endangered). I personally take offense if people still do, and i will always report offenders if they don't listen to my warnings. It puts the hobby in a bad light, why not stick to legal animals? There are so many beautiful alternatives around! Doing stuff like keeping illegal snakes, plays straight into the hand of people wanting to restrict the hobby. - Even if the law banning them is clearly horse sh*t-

There is much talk of restricting the hobby here as well, banning 'dangerous' snakes like burms and retics. (You can keep the ones you already own, but not get new ones) If they do, i heavily consider moving to Germany. But i would not buy and keep animals illegally.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

all of them? even with the variety of species? that's crazy

I think there a stipulations on the Kings and Rat law. Every Repticon show I've been to in Georgia has had many of both for sale.

[psychocircus]

Interpret the link as you will.
guess I should have read it, lol.

It's our government that makes bullshit like this illegal in the first place. Look at all of the things that "should be" illegal, but there are too many pussies running this country......And yes, my attitude does suck. I got tired of taking **** from people a long time ago. (My opinion)

many of the laws are dumb. The lacy act prevents people from transporting burms over state lines but guess what that will lead to. The inability of those with several burms/burm offspring to sell their animals and increasing the risk of them releasing the animals in their own state. (ie: Florida). I also can't imagine corn snakes or rat snakes are in any immediate danger, but what do I know? All of this being said, the beauty in reptiles is the vast variety. There MUST be several other species that interest you.

I don't even live on the same continent.. However, owning native snakes is not-done here either (Nearly all native animal species are endangered). I personally take offense if people still do, and i will always report offenders if they don't listen to my warnings. It puts the hobby in a bad light, why not stick to legal animals? There are so many beautiful alternatives around! Doing stuff like keeping illegal snakes, plays straight into the hand of people wanting to restrict the hobby. - Even if the law banning them is clearly horse sh*t-

There is much talk of restricting the hobby here as well, banning 'dangerous' snakes like burms and retics. (You can keep the ones you already own, but not get new ones) If they do, i heavily consider moving to Germany. But i would not buy and keep animals illegally.

I live in Maryland, which sits next to Pennsylvania. If I ever choose to keep venomous snakes (unlikely, but always in the back of my mind) I would move to Pennsylvania where it is legal. Too much can go wrong. the illegality of it just adds fuel to the fire if something goes wrong.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

I apologize for the name calling.....but with all the legislation that is going on here, even keeping one illegal animal can be detrimental to this hobby....Why is it so difficult to understand the word "illegal".....

Bottom line here: Pretty soon, we won't have anymore freedom in this country. Look at it: Forced healthcare that nobody can afford, more taxes on the things you buy to help the government replenish the national debt.:D:D:D (That's the best one I've heard so far). Small businesses are even being pushed out the door to make it harder for people to live. Our family business would be out of business if we haven't been grandfathered in 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy ALL of your views and opinions. If any of you ever hurt my feelings, you have clearly raised the bar!

[Terranaut]

Stupid or not a law in your country or mine is a law. If you plan to own animals outside of the law be it a corn snake or black rhino it still make law abiders look bad too. If a law seems to be wrong in your opinion , fight it . Change it. Call your government about it. Not worth becoming a criminal over a pet. I am not assuming your about to break the law or anything....just some food for thought if you choose to.

[shaunyboy]

I apologize for the name calling.....but with all the legislation that is going on here, even keeping one illegal animal can be detrimental to this hobby....Why is it so difficult to understand the word "illegal".....

i agree with everything you've said pal

imo we don't need anyone giving all the anti reptile keeping groups,more ammunition and examples of bad keepers

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

Bottom line here: Pretty soon, we won't have anymore freedom in this country. Look at it: Forced healthcare that nobody can afford, more taxes on the things you buy to help the government replenish the national debt.:D:D:D (That's the best one I've heard so far). Small businesses are even being pushed out the door to make it harder for people to live. Our family business would be out of business if we haven't been grandfathered in 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy ALL of your views and opinions. If any of you ever hurt my feelings, you have clearly raised the bar!


imo,it's not exactly sticking it to the man,when all your doing is showing our hobby in a bad way,your just giving all the anti's and law makers more reasons to attack our hobby

i live in the UK where its just as bad regards our government,hell we have more cctv per head of population than China,we have 1 camera for every 14 people,the poor are getting poorer,while the rich get richer,and they pass laws to suit their own agenda's.....

its crap over here,but i still wouldn't post about breaking a reptile law,as it paints the whole hobby in a bad light


cheers shaun

[MDT]

Don't like the laws? Do something productive to change them. Cool thing about America...we can do that. However, until such time as you are successful, don't drag the rest of the hobby down by breaking (stupid) laws. There are so many other cool species you could own and work with.

[Aaron_S]

What happened to no name-calling? I am not condoning keeping anything illegal, but do you truly believe he's going to endanger the hobby by buying a single corn snake?

I'm sure that's what the first person releasing a burm into the everglades said too.

"What will a single snake do?"

[psychocircus]

I'm sure that's what the first person releasing a burm into the everglades said too.

"What will a single snake do?"

completely irrelevant. We're talking about a snake native to Georgia. Apples and oranges. And again, I wasn't condoning it, I was just saying there is no need to be overly aggressive about the topic.

[Terranaut]

The everglade issue is not due to people releasing pets I to the wild. It was due to a hurricane releasing almost a thousand in one day. This was proven by never finding any morphs in the wild. I will see if I can find the article I read about all of this but it was a while ago.

[Mikoh4792]

The everglade issue is not due to people releasing pets I to the wild. It was due to a hurricane releasing almost a thousand in one day. This was proven by never finding any morphs in the wild. I will see if I can find the article I read about all of this but it was a while ago.

I believe I've read about this too. A hurricane basically shred a facility to bits, and the animals got loose. Besides I heard the burms were declining in number each year. Hope to find out more about this.

[Aaron_S]

The everglade issue is not due to people releasing pets I to the wild. It was due to a hurricane releasing almost a thousand in one day. This was proven by never finding any morphs in the wild. I will see if I can find the article I read about all of this but it was a while ago.

I know this. I have read it.

I doubt it was all because of that.
Either way, it affected our hobby. A single animal or incident affects our hobby. Someone died in Brampton or Burlington from their large constrictor over 2 decades ago and they still can't have any boas or pythons of any size.

[Aaron_S]

completely irrelevant. We're talking about a snake native to Georgia. Apples and oranges. And again, I wasn't condoning it, I was just saying there is no need to be overly aggressive about the topic.

Actually it's apples to apples.

You were making an argument that a single animal won't harm our hobby. I am proving you wrong considering it has many times in the past. Which makes it relevant.

Proof for me? It's in the cases I stated in the above post. We can also use the tragedy from New Brunswick in late 2013. It brought a lot of eyes upon the hobby as a whole and that was a single snake. So yes, a single animal CAN affect the hobby. A single person breaking the law with a single animal CAN and DOES affect the hobby.

Don't cast off an opposing view as irrelevant because it proves you wrong. Bring something substantial.

[psychocircus]

Actually it's apples to apples.

You were making an argument that a single animal won't harm our hobby. I am proving you wrong considering it has many times in the past. Which makes it relevant.

Proof for me? It's in the cases I stated in the above post. We can also use the tragedy from New Brunswick in late 2013. It brought a lot of eyes upon the hobby as a whole and that was a single snake. So yes, a single animal CAN affect the hobby. A single person breaking the law with a single animal CAN and DOES affect the hobby.

Don't cast off an opposing view as irrelevant because it proves you wrong. Bring something substantial.

What impact do you propose a single cornsnake being brought into Georgia would have? This is an animal that is already illegal to own, whereas in your examples it was a legal animal either released or that caused harm to a person.

[Terranaut]

It makes us law abiding owners look like criminals.
the general public lumps us all as the same. One idiot owning an illegal snake in NB had a whole nation reconsidering laws about reptile just 5 months ago. Average Joe doesn't know the difference between a corn and a cobra. This argument is all moot. Follow the law.....change it if it doesn't suit you.

[shaunyboy]

It makes us law abiding owners look like criminals.
the general public lumps us all as the same. One idiot owning an illegal snake in NB had a whole nation reconsidering laws about reptile just 5 months ago. Average Joe doesn't know the difference between a corn and a cobra. This argument is all moot. Follow the law.....change it if it doesn't suit you.

^^^^^
this.....

because more often than not,the general public focus on the one bad keepers actions,ignoring the thousands of reputable keepers out there,there's already too many people out there trying to make our hobby out in a bad way,the last thing we need is keepers coming on a forum saying...

feck the laws,i'll do what i want

not exactly doing the hobby a lot of good,no ?


cheers shaun

[Alexa]

I hate that it is true, but the public is very mistrustful of exotic animal keepers in general, and snake keepers specifically. Though very few snakes are dangerous, the vast majority of people either don't see anything good about them, or are downright phobic. Between sensationalism in the media and local politicians looking for an easy win, there are already too many ways for reptile keepers to lose the fight.

Don't give anyone an excuse, especially over something as simple as a corn snake (though they are wonderful). There are dozens or hundreds of other species that would likely give you similar enjoyment.

[Aaron_S]

What impact do you propose a single cornsnake being brought into Georgia would have? This is an animal that is already illegal to own, whereas in your examples it was a legal animal either released or that caused harm to a person.

The fact it is already illegal to own makes it worse! We should simply abide by the laws and instead of pissing and moaning on the internet about how stupid the law is how about being proactive and actually attempting to change it instead of waiting for someone else to do it.

For the record, the animal in New Brunswick was given illegal to keep as he lost his status as a zoo or some thing like that.

[KORBIN5895]

What impact do you propose a single cornsnake being brought into Georgia would have? This is an animal that is already illegal to own, whereas in your examples it was a legal animal either released or that caused harm to a person.

The arp was actually smuggled into NB as a hatchling then surrendered to the SPCA. It was then rehomed to Jean Claude because he had a zoo permit. He allowed his permit to lapse but never got rid of his prohibited animals.

[Terranaut]

The arp was actually smuggled into NB as a hatchling then surrendered to the SPCA. It was then rehomed to Jean Claude because he had a zoo permit. He allowed his permit to lapse but never got rid of his prohibited animals.

This is why I think we haven't heard much more about this. The province gave him the snake and failed to remove it from him when his permits expired. They may be held responsible for the deaths as they had on record that they gave him the snake. I would bet the mom has or will get paid to sign a non disclosure contract to keep this negligence out of the news.
sad regardless and another case of one person wrecking it for the rest of us.

[robertjnovak59]

No doubts, if an illegally kept corn escaped and strangled 2 children the entire hobby would be in jeopardy! Be responsible!

[Tsubaki]

Kill? No.. off-course not. Put the hobby in a bad light? Yes. People who do not know anything about snakes get frightened either way. No matter if it is a little harmless corn snake, or a cobra. 'Escaped 'pet' snake terrorizes household' is a bad enough title, it does not have to be 'Dangerous escaped 'pet' snake terrorizes household' To make it bad news for the hobby.

[robertjnovak59]

I understand the point but lets keep it realistic. Even in the dullest of communities, an illegal corn snake wouldn't be a blip in the local paper. Comparing it to New Brunswick is ludicrous.

[Tsubaki]

It would be here, any escaped snake has a big chance of making the news. Police here knows nothing of snakes, we only have 3 native species and those are very rare and endangered. You will only see them if you actively go looking for them, which is not allowed because you get fined for disturbing them haha.

For example: This is how an article about a found 1 foot long cornsnake would start: -'Unknown potentially Dangerous 5 foot snake found NEAR CHILDREN'- A potentially dangerous snake has been found in the proximity of a school, the snake is most likely an escaped exotic pet and the police is looking for it's owner. A snake expert has been contact to collect the animal. - Followed up by terrified parents blabla..... heh...Yea..... Even if there is an expert present telling them the animal is not dangerous, they still get 80% of the information wrong. Any escaping snake here, is devastating for the hobby.

Then again, i am not American. People here are not used to snakes.

[EL Ziggy]

I have mixed feeling on this one. I don't condone breaking the law but I have broken a few in my time. Some laws are stupid and intrusive and I choose to overlook them, but I'm always willing to face the consequences of my actions. The speed limit is 55 mph on I-75 and I break that law every day. I live in GA as well and was disappointed to learn that we can't own corn snakes, some milk snakes, or some eastern king snakes. We are allowed to have non native kings. I bought my Cal King at Petsmart. I was going to buy a beautiful southern pine snake, when I couldn't find the patternless bull snake I was originally looking for, but those are prohibited too. I eventually found an albino bull snake that worked out great. I do agree that there are a lot of other great snakes we can keep within the confines of the law and I would advise the OP to go that route but I strongly disagree that one person owning a harmless corn snake reflects poorly on the entire hobby. We are all individuals, not the collective borg, and should only be measured by our individual deeds.

[robertjnovak59]

It would be here, any escaped snake has a big chance of making the news. Police here knows nothing of snakes, we only have 3 native species and those are very rare and endangered. You will only see them if you actively go looking for them, which is not allowed because you get fined for disturbing them haha.

For example: This is how an article about a found 1 foot long cornsnake would start: -'Unknown potentially Dangerous 5 foot snake found NEAR CHILDREN'- A potentially dangerous snake has been found in the proximity of a school, the snake is most likely an escaped exotic pet and the police is looking for it's owner. A snake expert has been contact to collect the animal. - Followed up by terrified parents blabla..... heh...Yea..... Even if there is an expert present telling them the animal is not dangerous, they still get 80% of the information wrong. Any escaping snake here, is devastating for the hobby.

Then again, i am not American. People here are not used to snakes.

That is the cool thing about forums like this, hearing what its like in other countries.

[Shann]

We are all individuals, not the collective borg, and should only be measured by our individual deeds.

Should be. Unfortunately when this comes to something like keep in snakes, we are all lumped together by the general public.

[Aaron_S]

Should be. Unfortunately when this comes to something like keep in snakes, we are all lumped together by the general public.

Exactly.

We can't be constantly trying to be a community and individuals at the same time...

Pick one.

[EL Ziggy]

Exactly.

We can't be constantly trying to be a community and individuals at the same time...

Pick one.
A community is made up of individuals. We may share a common hobby but we are only responsible for our personal actions. You can't be held accountable for what I do, nor can I be held liable for the actions of another, unless we conspired together.

[Mikoh4792]

A community is made up of individuals. We may share a common hobby but we are only responsible for our personal actions. You can't be held accountable for what I do, nor can I be held liable for the actions of another, unless we conspired together.

Sadly a lot of times the outside does not look at it that way. When one person messes up, it can affect the community as a whole. But I guess educating people does help in making more rational judgements about us.

[Aaron_S]

A community is made up of individuals. We may share a common hobby but we are only responsible for our personal actions. You can't be held accountable for what I do, nor can I be held liable for the actions of another, unless we conspired together.

Too bad that's not how the world works.

[robertjnovak59]

I think that would be an interesting legal argument. If you owned a morph, that wasnt found in the wild, of an indigenous species wouldn't you still be legal within the intent of the law since the morph proves it wasnt a wild snake?

[Valvaren]

People who think that breaking one little law can't have an effect on the hobby on a much larger scale are fools.

[Aaron_S]

I think that would be an interesting legal argument. If you owned a morph, that wasnt found in the wild, of an indigenous species wouldn't you still be legal within the intent of the law since the morph proves it wasnt a wild snake?

It's still of the same species.

I know here in Ontario you can't own Eastern hognose snakes. No matter where they came from. To the law it's all the same and I think it may have to do with releasing them into wild populations as well.

A captive animal can introduce bad things to wild populations too.

[Alexa]

And the "bad bugs" stuff happens all the time.

The example that I am most familiar with is the California Desert Tortoise. Captive tortoises have introduced respiratory diseases to wild desert tortoises, causing many fatalities.

I would love to see a wild desert tortoise, but between habitat loss, introduces predators, and introduced diseases, I may never be able to do that.

The regulatory agencies are doing their best with the information they have, much of which comes from herpetologists and other scientific researchers who are in the field doing the best they can to conserve species that we love, and that we need.

The government frequently doesn't go about it the best way, but they are (usually) doing what they can to protect the native wildlife. And they sometimes have some damn good reasons for doing what they do.

[Aaron_S]

Furthermore, it's a lot easier for the agencies to outright ban the species as a whole because then it's less work for their officers. They don't have to know all the morphs of every species to do their job.

We can agree that some morphs make the snake look like something else.

Also I am sure that would also open the doors to what about hybrids and hybrid morphs?

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

I have mixed feeling on this one. I don't condone breaking the law but I have broken a few in my time. Some laws are stupid and intrusive and I choose to overlook them, but I'm always willing to face the consequences of my actions. The speed limit is 55 mph on I-75 and I break that law every day. I live in GA as well and was disappointed to learn that we can't own corn snakes, some milk snakes, or some eastern king snakes. We are allowed to have non native kings. I bought my Cal King at Petsmart. I was going to buy a beautiful southern pine snake, when I couldn't find the patternless bull snake I was originally looking for, but those are prohibited too. I eventually found an albino bull snake that worked out great. I do agree that there are a lot of other great snakes we can keep within the confines of the law and I would advise the OP to go that route but I strongly disagree that one person owning a harmless corn snake reflects poorly on the entire hobby. We are all individuals, not the collective borg, and should only be measured by our individual deeds.


Thank you, my Georgian Brother. LOL!!! That's all I was trying to say starting this thread. I had no idea it was going to turn into an all-out, good ol' bar brawl. I wasn't bragging that I was a daring law breaker and that I dared anyone to try and stop me. LOL!. No, I was just talking about how absurd a lot of laws our Politicians think of and the tax payers money they waste to enforce something that dumb. Furthermore, I am not smashing anyone's views here, but those who think that the general public actually have a say anymore as to what laws are passed or not, I find that adorable the dream still lives on. Love all you guys/gals on here.

[Aaron_S]

Thank you, my Georgian Brother. LOL!!! That's all I was trying to say starting this thread. I had no idea it was going to turn into an all-out, good ol' bar brawl. I wasn't bragging that I was a daring law breaker and that I dared anyone to try and stop me. LOL!. No, I was just talking about how absurd a lot of laws our Politicians think of and the tax payers money they waste to enforce something that dumb. Furthermore, I am not smashing anyone's views here, but those who think that the general public actually have a say anymore as to what laws are passed or not, I find that adorable the dream still lives on. Love all you guys/gals on here.

I find it adorable when people who have no clue what their talking about try and come off like they do.

I know a handful of people (including myself) that were at a local council meeting and got the proposed all out exotic ban to convert to a 2 meter rule for snakes. That's not everything but it certainly proved your theory wrong.

Glad to know you're only willing to complain about it over the internet and not actually do anything about it.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

This may not be on the same level, but I have a 24" Red Bellied Pacu that I have been trying to sell for a while. Of course, a fish that large will be hard pressed to find a new home, especially since he is tropical and needs warm water year round. Does that mean I will do something irresponsible like releasing him locally up here to die? No. I will continue to take care of it like I always have and will with any animal I have.

Like the Burms and others that have taken over the Everglades, this could happen to any species of animal. I read an article several years ago about a teenage boy in south Flordia that had a Pacu in a tank that end up being too small for this fish. When that did happen, he released it in his next door neighbor's pond without telling him. Of course, the water stayed warm enough down there for it to survive. A few years later, the neighbor was fishing and caught it, not having a clue what it was. It weighed 36 pounds!!!

Pacu's are also supposed to be Omnivores, but I can tell you that is definitely not the case. Mine will eat other fish and will suck up a small mouse in the blink of an eye.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

I find it adorable when people who have no clue what their talking about try and come off like they do.

I know a handful of people (including myself) that were at a local council meeting and got the proposed all out exotic ban to convert to a 2 meter rule for snakes. That's not everything but it certainly proved your theory wrong.

Glad to know you're only willing to complain about it over the internet and not actually do anything about it.

.....and what would you suggest that I could get done about it.

[KORBIN5895]

It's still of the same species.

I know here in Ontario you can't own Eastern hognose snakes. No matter where they came from. To the law it's all the same and I think it may have to do with releasing them into wild populations as well.

A captive animal can introduce bad things to wild populations too.

Imagine what would happen if the corn snake escaped and had crypto? It could potentially wipe out all of the indigenous corns.

This may not be on the same level, but I have a 24" Red Bellied Pacu that I have been trying to sell for a while. Of course, a fish that large will be hard pressed to find a new home, especially since he is tropical and needs warm water year round. Does that mean I will do something irresponsible like releasing him locally up here to die? No. I will continue to take care of it like I always have and will with any animal I have.

Like the Burms and others that have taken over the Everglades, this could happen to any species of animal. I read an article several years ago about a teenage boy in south Flordia that had a Pacu in a tank that end up being too small for this fish. When that did happen, he released it in his next door neighbor's pond without telling him. Of course, the water stayed warm enough down there for it to survive. A few years later, the neighbor was fishing and caught it, not having a clue what it was. It weighed 36 pounds!!!

Pacu's are also supposed to be Omnivores, but I can tell you that is definitely not the case. Mine will eat other fish and will suck up a small mouse in the blink of an eye.

I think you should look up the meaning of omnivore.......

[psychocircus]

I think you should look up the meaning of omnivore.......

lol :robo:

[Aaron_S]

.....and what would you suggest that I could get done about it.

Lots...look into your local council for open meetings. Find out how and what you need to make a proposal to change things.

Call your local office.

Start there.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

lol :robo:

Am I thinking of Herbivore????

Oh yeah.......
An omnivore /ˈomnɪvɔər/ meaning 'all-eater' (Latin, omnes, omnia, meaning "all" or "everything" and vorare meaning "to devour") is an animal that can derive its energy and nutrients from a diet consisting of a variety of sources that may include plants, animals, algae and fungi.[1]

[EL Ziggy]

Thank you, my Georgian Brother. LOL!!! That's all I was trying to say starting this thread. I had no idea it was going to turn into an all-out, good ol' bar brawl. I wasn't bragging that I was a daring law breaker and that I dared anyone to try and stop me. LOL!. No, I was just talking about how absurd a lot of laws our Politicians think of and the tax payers money they waste to enforce something that dumb. Furthermore, I am not smashing anyone's views here, but those who think that the general public actually have a say anymore as to what laws are passed or not, I find that adorable the dream still lives on. Love all you guys/gals on here.

Power to the people T! See all the trouble you started :) Good luck with your next addition brother.