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kelzerman
01-29-14, 11:03 AM
I am curious if anyone has any information on what strains of salmonella are commonly found in snakes. If there is any references to these facts I would love to see them.

mclund
01-29-14, 11:45 AM
I am curious if anyone has any information on what strains of salmonella are commonly found in snakes. If there is any references to these facts I would love to see them.

In general I think salmonella is over-rated. I had a case quite a few years ago. Not fun, but I have had worse ailments.

Pretty interesting.

The aerobic gram-negative faecal flora of 78 reptiles (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8493&lvl=0) consisting of 46 species (39 lizards (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8504&lvl=0) of 23 species, 15 tortoises (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8487&lvl=0) of 9 species, 24 snakes (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8570&lvl=0) of 14 species) was studied. Salmonella (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=590&lvl=0) was found to be present in 50% of lizards (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8504&lvl=0), in 16% of tortoises (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8487&lvl=0) and in 16% of snakes (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8570&lvl=0). There were all together 15 different serotypes. Edwardsiella tarda (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=636&lvl=0) was isolated in 20% of tortoises (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8487&lvl=0), in 12% of snakes (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8570&lvl=0) but only in 3% of lizards (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8504&lvl=0). Tortoises (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8487&lvl=0) represent therefore the possible normal habitat of Edwardsiella tarda (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=636&lvl=0). We isolated Arizona (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=94892&lvl=0) specially from snakes (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8570&lvl=0) as was described by many authors. A new serotype (Arizona (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=94892&lvl=0) 26a, 26b:27 - 21 = S. arizonae (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=129435&lvl=0) 61:Z10:Z35) was found in a rattlesnake. There were found also much amounts of Citrobacter (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=544&lvl=0) (52%), E. coli (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=562&lvl=0) (50%), Proteus mirabilis (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=584&lvl=0) (49%), Proteus morganii (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=582&lvl=0) (18%), Proteus rettgeri (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=587&lvl=0) (26%), Proteus vulgaris (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=585&lvl=0) (32%). Klebsiella (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=570&lvl=0) and Enterobacter (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=547&lvl=0) seem to prefere the lizards (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8504&lvl=0). The overwhelming majority of the studied bacteria (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=2&lvl=0) were lactose (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Chemicals=http://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A17716)-negative, corresponding to the inability of reptiles (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8493&lvl=0) producing lactose (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Chemicals=http://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A17716). The normal habitat of Salmonellae in reptiles (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8493&lvl=0) and the high phylogenetic age of reptiles (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8493&lvl=0) allows the hypothesis that salmonellae could have a similar old age as their host (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_go_term=http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ego/GTerm?id=GO:0018995) animals (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=33208&lvl=0), because the ecological niche, i.e. the bowel of reptiles (http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/998035/?whatizit_url_Species=http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=8493&lvl=0), has not changed for some hundred million years.

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BIGT FROM F.B.
01-29-14, 03:03 PM
I had it about 5 years ago. Something terrible. Doctor said it is possible to get off of anything. All I know is, I don't want it again. Laying in bed in the middle of the night in the fetal position with stomach cramps. I lost 12 pounds in 1 week, due to um, you know. Even barely eating anything.

mclund
01-29-14, 03:16 PM
I had it about 5 years ago. Something terrible. Doctor said it is possible to get off of anything. All I know is, I don't want it again. Laying in bed in the middle of the night in the fetal position with stomach cramps. I lost 12 pounds in 1 week, due to um, you know. Even barely eating anything.


Yeah...I know...you don't stray too far from cousin john.