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athms
11-24-13, 10:14 PM
Someone was selling feeder ducklings i think thats horrible same with chicks maybe cause i have chickens and ducks but come on. And they make them look cute in the pictures. So whats an animals you cant believe any body feeds or you would never feed

Mikoh4792
11-24-13, 11:42 PM
I'd feed anything. The animals we kill in slaughterhouses are considered sacred in some cultures. It comes down to personal bias.

red ink
11-24-13, 11:50 PM
I will feed anything appropriate or legal... I have no boundaries when it comes to this. Well possibly cats or dogs... I'd draw the line there.

SnoopySnake
11-24-13, 11:53 PM
I'd feed anything. The animals we kill in slaughterhouses are considered sacred in some cultures. It comes down to personal bias.

^^^ +1 ..not to mention how much more cruel slaughterhouses are than feeding a snake..

I would feed any animal, I personally believe no animals life is more valueble than another, aside from humans but obv. thats quite different.. Also I would have different feelings toward cats and dogs, mainly dogs. Feeder duckings and chicks are the equivalent of rats and mice IMO, and so are snakes and lizards.

athms
11-24-13, 11:58 PM
But if some one feed a snake to a monitor people would flip

poison123
11-25-13, 12:03 AM
But if some one feed a snake to a monitor people would flip

I sure wouldnt flip. I've seen it doen :)

red ink
11-25-13, 01:16 AM
But if some one feed a snake to a monitor people would flip

Nope....waste not want not. Plenty of my friends feed dead snakes to monitors or snakes to other snakes. All already dead obviously.

KORBIN5895
11-25-13, 01:24 AM
My children. Everyone else's children are fair game though.

Lankyrob
11-25-13, 05:05 AM
My children. Everyone else's children are fair game though.

Pretty much this!

I would happily feed anything to anything else apart from my family (tho we eat all meats)

Terranaut
11-25-13, 05:19 AM
Cute or not....what's the difference? Seriously what's next? Maybe only ugly cows should become Big Macs? Having issues with prey items should always be considered when getting a 100% carnivore as a pet.

KORBIN5895
11-25-13, 05:53 AM
only ugly cows should become Big Macs?

That would just be wrong. Millions would go into shock from big Macs actually containing beef.

Terranaut
11-25-13, 08:02 AM
That would just be wrong. Millions would go into shock from big Macs actually containing beef.

Bwahahaha. Apparently Bolivia prefers actual beef too. McDonalds closed their stores there due to lack of business.

wrecker45
11-25-13, 08:06 AM
I would never feed a cat or dog. But there are a lot of humans that would be good feeders.

lady_bug87
11-25-13, 08:31 AM
My children. Everyone else's children are fair game though.

heeeeyyy......

Jim Smith
11-25-13, 09:35 AM
What about road kill? All those nice fat squirrels and possums you see by the road, many that look like it was a recent head wound with no other damage... For that matter, what about "popping" a couple of the bazillion squirrels that roam my yard everyday and tossing them in still fresh and warm? I would be afraid of introducing diseases or parasites, but what about some of you folks that have large snakes that must cost quite a bit to feed.

shaunyboy
11-25-13, 09:35 AM
i would feed any prey a snake would take...

i have always wanted to keep a Black Headed Python,to eat any unwanted hatchlings i may produce,that way the market don't get flooded with cheap siblings,that any unexperienced people could buy and throw away when they get bored,due to how cheap the snake was bought...

imo its much more humaine to feed them to a BHP (most BHP's will only take live snakes)

it's mother nature at her best imo

cheers shaun

Darkbird
11-25-13, 10:54 AM
Of course baby ducks and chicks are cute, so are most baby animals. Only difference I see between them and rodents is they grow into something I would eat when they get big enough. Not gonna eat rodents unless thing get really desperate. Like, apocalyptic, end-of -the-world desperate, lol.

mistersprinkles
11-25-13, 12:10 PM
When I was about 10 years old, I fed a pair of small hamsters to my ball python. There was a severe rat and mouse shortage in the city at the time because the main supplier of rats and mice for the area had to do a massive cull due to disease. So when I saw somebody selling baby hamsters in my building for fifty cents a pop, I jumped on the opportunity.

Awaiting Abyss
11-25-13, 03:08 PM
I adore my mice, but I wouldn't deny my snake a meal just because I love them so much. I just make sure the few that end up feeders have wonderful lives with me.
I too love chickens, but I still eat chicken.

smoothie4l
11-29-13, 06:39 AM
I like to know that the animals I feed to my snakes died as painlessly as possible, and I'll always ask how the animals are killed (avoiding frozen alive, drowned, ect.)
If I loved a snake that only ate live I'd still do it...
I have 3 pet chickens and I love their personalities and all their pecking and scratching, but I'd have no problem having frozen chicks in my freezer.

SSSSnakes
11-29-13, 07:08 AM
I have never fed a cat or a dog to any of my snakes, but if they are in over filled kill shelters, then why waste the meat.

formica
11-29-13, 07:10 AM
Duck is probably my favorite meat on the planet, i'd rather let them grow and keep them for my plate than being fed to my animals!

but anyway, there is no animal I wouldnt feed to mine, if its something they would eat anyway, not squeamish or ethically inclined in that way at all. That said, duck isnt cheap, they certainly wouldnt get it often lol

SSSSnakes
11-29-13, 07:15 AM
Duck is probably my favorite meat on the planet, i'd rather let them grow and keep them for my plate than being fed to my animals!

but anyway, there is no animal I wouldnt feed to mine, if its something they would eat anyway, not squeamish or ethically inclined in that way at all. That said, duck isnt cheap, they certainly wouldnt get it often lol

I have a duck farm near me that only raises the ducks for their livers. They would give me the rest of the duck for free. Also many times they raise to many ducks and give away what they can not use.

mistersprinkles
12-07-13, 02:16 PM
I have never fed a cat or a dog to any of my snakes, but if they are in over filled kill shelters, then why waste the meat.

What the hell?
You would feed cats and dogs to snakes? Seriously? Live?

KORBIN5895
12-07-13, 02:29 PM
What the hell?
You would feed cats and dogs to snakes? Seriously? Live?

What the he'll?
You wouldn't?

Mikoh4792
12-07-13, 02:41 PM
What the hell?
You would feed cats and dogs to snakes? Seriously? Live?

Objectively I don't see anything wrong with it but I personally wouldn't do it. Dogs and cats are too personable.

Hannibalcanibal
12-07-13, 04:13 PM
I'd not feed dogs, just cause i like them. Cats as well.

Live feeding, in my eyes, of a dog or cat is just too cruel. A dead, euthanised one, however, is another story if you feel like doing it.

My only concern would be- what would this make people think of the hobby? if it's dead it's dead, but people are fearmongers, and would use this as leverage against our right to keeping snakes.

EDIT: and by right, i mean current right. Not including bylaws in areas where it is already illegal.

Lankyrob
12-07-13, 04:13 PM
What the hell?
You would feed cats and dogs to snakes? Seriously? Live?

Not live, and not MY cat or dog, but someone elses?....... Hellz yeah!

exwizard
12-07-13, 04:16 PM
Objectively I don't see anything wrong with it but I personally wouldn't do it. Dogs and cats are too personable.It's a cultural thing. In most if not all developed countries, dogs and cats are on the top of the pet chain and as such, it isn't culturally acceptable to feed them off to a snake or lizard. Setting culture aside, I still would not feed off a dog or cat to any of my snakes. While I personally have no other aversion, I mainly stick with 1 of 4 different prey animals depending on snake size; mice, rats, rabbits and pigs. The other prey animals, if someone chooses to feed off to their snakes or lizards, if said animal can take them, I have no problem with it at all.

mistersprinkles
12-07-13, 08:15 PM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!

Mikoh4792
12-07-13, 08:21 PM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!

Well who are you to define what is crazy? Should we care that you don't care?

I do not put dogs and cats on the same level as humans. And if a family member requested that he or she be fed to a retic upon passing I would honor that request without hesitation haha!

Hotchkiss
12-07-13, 09:10 PM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!
mother nature, When I die and rot I'll be worm food

SSSSnakes
12-07-13, 09:21 PM
Meat is meat. What makes one animal more important than another. I like rats, but I feed them to my snakes. I only feed F/T.

KORBIN5895
12-07-13, 10:09 PM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!

Anyone that puts an animal on the same level as a family member must be off the deep end.

shaunyboy
12-07-13, 11:02 PM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!


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Meat is meat. What makes one animal more important than another. I like rats, but I feed them to my snakes. I only feed F/T.

Anyone that puts an animal on the same level as a family member must be off the deep end.

we keep predators.....

they eat meat...

no prey item should be considered off limits,or more important than another...

if cat/dog shelters are euthinising and disgarding the bodies,then surely feeding another animal,is a much better reason for death,no ?

cheers shaun

mistersprinkles
12-07-13, 11:25 PM
no prey item should be considered off limits,or more important than another...

if cat/dog shelters are euthinising and disgarding the bodies,then surely feeding another animal,is a much better reason for death,no ?

cheers shaun

Actually, those euthanized cats and dogs ARE fed to animals. They're fed to other cats and dogs. They grind them up. It's absolutely true. Here's a link.

Do They Really Use Euthanized Dogs and Cats to Make Pet Food? (http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/euthanized-pets-dog-food/)

It's all over the internet.

Awaiting Abyss
12-08-13, 12:05 AM
Actually, those euthanized cats and dogs ARE fed to animals. They're fed to other cats and dogs. They grind them up. It's absolutely true. Here's a link.

Do They Really Use Euthanized Dogs and Cats to Make Pet Food? (http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/euthanized-pets-dog-food/)

It's all over the internet.


Yes, but the bad part about that is, the euthanizing chemical is still active in the bodies. It is not altered in any way during the food making process.
^ This is why I started feeding my cats the best food I can provide them.

ilovemysnake
12-08-13, 02:11 AM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!

i completely agree! i could never do that. i think its so inhumane.

Hotchkiss
12-08-13, 02:27 AM
i completely agree! i could never do that. i think its so inhumane.
what about pigs? Highly intelligent wonderful creatures, No one bats an eye at them being killed and eaten. But once it's a dog/cat Oooooh noooo! I don't like when people take double standards

ilovemysnake
12-08-13, 02:44 AM
what about pigs? Highly intelligent wonderful creatures, No one bats an eye at them being killed and eaten. But once it's a dog/cat Oooooh noooo! I don't like when people take double standards

but i have cats and dogs as well! i think pigs are adorable. i wouldnt feed them to my pet. i consider my pets a part of my family. to feed them to another animal, i couldnt bear.

Mikoh4792
12-08-13, 07:12 AM
but i have cats and dogs as well! i think pigs are adorable. i wouldnt feed them to my pet. i consider my pets a part of my family. to feed them to another animal, i couldnt bear.

You don't give meat products to your pets? none that are pork? Would you feed pigs to yourself?(in other words don't you eat pork?)

shaunyboy
12-08-13, 08:37 AM
what about pigs? Highly intelligent wonderful creatures, No one bats an eye at them being killed and eaten. But once it's a dog/cat Oooooh noooo! I don't like when people take double standards

^^^^^
i totally agree mate

imo pigs are as smart as dogs.....

don't stop me eating a big bacon breakfast :D

i'm sure i read there's countrys where dog is eaten by humans ?

cheers shaun

Mikoh4792
12-08-13, 09:09 AM
^^^^^
i totally agree mate

imo pigs are as smart as dogs.....

don't stop me eating a big bacon breakfast :D

i'm sure i read there's countrys where dog is eaten by humans ?

cheers shaun

Small portions of east and north east asia.

I've eaten dog once just to try it in South Korea. It's called dog soup and to be honest it was pretty damn good.

Not the kind of dog we think about as pets, they are wild dogs like coyotes.

DragonsEye
12-08-13, 01:33 PM
Don't know how common it still is, but dogs were eaten in the Philippines when my Dad was stationed over there 40 years or so ago.

No one is saying to toss your pet Fluffy to your snake if you'd rather bury it instead. Considering the emotional bond you may have formed with Fluffy, such action would be understandable. But with regards to the feral cats and dogs as well as the unwanted/unloved animals euthanized at humane societies? Your attitude is illogical. How is it better to toss them in a landfill rather than allow their death to at least serve a purpose? (Now I would have issues with feeding the cats and dogs live to a snake ... though again, that is exactly what would happen in the wild. But since captive snakes, at least, generally can learn to take prekilled prey, that would be my pref.) Do you also have issues with rabbits and guinea pigs being used as reptile food? In areas of South America, it is common for guinea pigs to be pets as well as people food. I've known farmers who raise a few chicken, pigs, or whatnot for family consumption. While the animals are alive, they are treated very much as pets. But when it comes time for slaughter, that's that.



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Terranaut
12-08-13, 04:19 PM
I think that feeding a dead dog from a shelter to a retic vrs feeding a rabbit to the same snake is a just as ludicrous as saying we would only feed white rats over black. Meat is meat. Want to discuss atrocities? Feeding dogs to dogs is somewhere to start. This entire thread is for not.

Hotchkiss
12-08-13, 08:42 PM
There are obviously 2 distinct parties in this, No middle ground. Just an observation.

mistersprinkles
12-09-13, 01:04 AM
I think that feeding a dead dog from a shelter to a retic vrs feeding a rabbit to the same snake is a just as ludicrous as saying we would only feed white rats over black. Meat is meat. Want to discuss atrocities? Feeding dogs to dogs is somewhere to start. This entire thread is for not.

We feed cows to cows too. And they're vegetarian. Explain that one to me. And fish. We feed fish to cows so they'll have more fatty acids in their milk.

I'm just disturbed by any manner of consumption of animals I consider pets. I don't like the idea.

Terranaut
12-09-13, 04:03 AM
Not liking it on a personal level is one thing but condeming it as morally wrong is another. Cows would never eat cows in the wild but a snake would certainly eat a dog or cat. Not the same issue.

KORBIN5895
12-09-13, 05:35 AM
My favorite animals are turtles. I had pet turtles growing up. Yet one of my favorite meats is turtle.....

Hotchkiss
12-10-13, 09:39 AM
I've kept sheep as "Pets" until they were old enough to go to slaughter, same with pigs, geese, chickens. I'm open to the idea of eating dog (assuming it's cooked nicely right...)
And even snake! In the wild you don't think they'd get eaten by one thing or another?

Sharlynn93
12-10-13, 10:19 AM
I have tried rattlesnake before (at a wild game dinner..lots of different wild animals cooked different ways so people can try them) it was pretty darn good, actually...I wouldn't hunt them to eat them, though...

LadyWraith
12-10-13, 12:32 PM
I could feed any already dead animal to my snakes, no problem. I think it's a great idea to use euthanized animals as feed... why waste meat? I'm not a fan of watching live feeding so I don't know how I'd feel about that. I'll personally try just about anything as food for myself, as long as it's prepared well.

drumcrush
12-10-13, 12:48 PM
I would feed any animal, as long as it doesn't have anything in it that would hurt the snake

TheZoo
12-15-13, 07:03 PM
You guys are all going off the deep end of the crazy scale here. You would actually feed a cat or dog to your reptile? I don't care if the cat or dog has already been euthanized. People consider cats and dogs to be part of their family. Would you feed your dead nephew to your reticulated python? What does it matter? He's already dead, right? Why give him a proper burial? Mr. Fuzzles the python is hungry!

Give me a break!

rats, mice and chickens are my pets I some of them I love more (yes i have favorites) then my cats or dogs....why are you saying its right to feed rats and mice and chickens but not dogs?

Awaiting Abyss
12-15-13, 07:15 PM
I agree. I consider my mice to be just as much a part of the family as my cats and dogs. I wouldn't feed my favorite mice, but I feed their siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, non-related friends, etc. If a cat or dog has not been killed with any toxic chemicals then I see no issue with feeding an already dead cat or dog.

KORBIN5895
12-15-13, 09:04 PM
I find it interesting how many people put a moral line on the dog or cat being dead first. I wonder how many would feed a live rodent if necessary