Breeding Collab!

[ErikBush97]

Hey, everyone. Me and a friend are getting into a breeding collaboration with each other. He knows a lot more than me so he'll be working with the Burms, and Retics, I'll be working with the Boas, and Ball Pythons. Really excited!! He has tons of snakes and incubators... Everything we need is ready. We're going to buy a few more Boas on Sunday and get going. I'm really excited, and since I have no breeding experience yet, he'll basically be mentoring me. Really really excited, and I'll keep you guys updated on everything.

[Hannibalcanibal]

From the link in your signature, you are a teenager. As another teenager, i can offer two pieces of advice:

1: don't breed
2: DON'T BREED.

It's just not a good idea..... How will you afford to house the babies into adulthood if you can't find a buyer? How will you afford babies in general? Who is going to buy from you?
How will you even house the breeders? Boas are big, and they need suitable enclosures, which would be hard for a kid to provide. How will you afford to feed all the babies? How will you afford to feed the adults? How will you even afford to buy them in the first place? Will you not focus on school for the snakes? Are you even responsible enough to house ONE in the first place?


Kids =/= good breeders. Take it from another teenager...

EDIT: I also saw that you are moving now, and have no idea what to house your snakes in. If you can't answer that question on your own, you are certainly not ready to breed any reptile.

[Mikoh4792]

Hannibal raises good points but if you can provide a stable environment for your breeders and offspring I'd say go for it. Just don't get in over your head and take things you can't handle.

[ErikBush97]

From the link in your signature, you are a teenager. As another teenager, i can offer two pieces of advice:

1: don't breed
2: DON'T BREED.

It's just not a good idea..... How will you afford to house the babies into adulthood if you can't find a buyer? How will you afford babies in general? Who is going to buy from you?
How will you even house the breeders? Boas are big, and they need suitable enclosures, which would be hard for a kid to provide. How will you afford to feed all the babies? How will you afford to feed the adults? How will you even afford to buy them in the first place? Will you not focus on school for the snakes? Are you even responsible enough to house ONE in the first place?


Kids =/= good breeders. Take it from another teenager...

EDIT: I also saw that you are moving now, and have no idea what to house your snakes in. If you can't answer that question on your own, you are certainly not ready to breed any reptile.

Did you happen to catch the part about me winning over 100k? The guy I'm working with bought a property for us to work in. That's where we will be doing our breeding/housing. He's 27 years old, breeding reptiles since he was a kid. I know how to house a snake. I don't know how to sneak six snakes into a hotel. Btw: I'm in college and I have a full time job.. I am already done with schooling and I take my college courses whenever I want.

[ErikBush97]

Age has absolutely nothing to do with breeding animals... Everyone has different amounts of experience and knowledge and everyone has different abilities. Plus I'll be supervised by my friend who has a lot of experience. Once he thinks I'm okay on my own, I'll be doing my own projects, but he'll be helping me for a while.

[valid]

You know how to house snakes, but had one that escaped. Ignored and fought valuable advise given to you, and didn't have enough money to buy a Tstat but plenty to buy new snakes, total disreguard to basic needs.

I don't think breeding is a good idea.

[ErikBush97]

Hannibal raises good points but if you can provide a stable environment for your breeders and offspring I'd say go for it. Just don't get in over your head and take things you can't handle.
I wont. Plus I have a lot of knowledgeable people on my side, including you guys.

[ErikBush97]

You know how to house snakes, but had one that escaped. Ignored and fought valuable advise given to you, and didn't have enough money to buy a Tstat but plenty to buy new snakes, total disreguard to basic needs.

I don't think breeding is a good idea.
Edit: I don't need to justify myself. Deal with it.

[Aaron_S]

I wont. Plus I have a lot of knowledgeable people on my side, including you guys.

No. You don't have "us guys". You need to earn the knowledge of others. You've proven you're nothing but a little brat.

I don't believe a word you said and I think your "friend" just found a way to get free labour from a sucker who "won a 100k"

[smy_749]

Basically what Aaron said are my thoughts exactly. The nonsense has already begun again.

[Lankyrob]

No. You don't have "us guys". You need to earn the knowledge of others. You've proven you're nothing but a little brat.

I don't believe a word you said and I think your "friend" just found a way to get free labour from a sucker who "won a 100k"

Basically what Aaron said are my thoughts exactly. The nonsense has already begun again.

This says it all

[lady_bug87]

Am I getting you confused with someone else or have you been banned from here at least twice?

[ErikBush97]

Am I getting you confused with someone else or have you been banned from here at least twice?

You're confused.

[ErikBush97]

That's okay if you guys don't support me breeding. It's not your decision

[ErikBush97]

Basically what Aaron said are my thoughts exactly. The nonsense has already begun again.

Yes it has. You guys aren't mature enough to stay off my ignore list.. Don't know why I thought we could... I don't know? Get a long or just stay off each others threads?

[smy_749]

Yes it has. You guys aren't mature enough to stay off my ignore list.. Don't know why I thought we could... I don't know? Get a long or just stay off each others threads?

You keep making stupid threads all day about useless garbage. I like this site better without them.

[bigsnakegirl785]

I kind of agree with some of the other posters. I don't know what kind of college you go to, but I can't just pop in whenever I want. I have to actually be there or I'll get dropped. It isn't like high school, I'm paying for these classes, so I'm not going to just not go and waste money. I'm not sure how people usually start out their breeding projects, even with an experienced person, but what I saw on your other thread seemed to be a lot to just jump into breeding with. Have you even attempted to calculate budgets to see if you have the money? 100k doesn't go all that far if you're spending a lot every week, and I don't even want to imagine how much those snakes will cost to keep, let alone all of their offspring. Unless you or your partner has a really good job, you might not be able to run this for very long, especially if you can't find homes for the babies. I'm not trying to bash you, and I'm not going to pretend I know you or your circumstance, but you do seem to post some really scatterbrained posts, and you may not have thought this through enough. People are giving you pretty solid advice imo. In the end, it's your life to run or ruin, but I would at least give this some serious thought.

[infernalis]

Times like these I wonder if trying to be nice and "fair" really works?

In the years I have been here, I have only repealed 3 bans, this one is the only one I'm starting to regret.

[Mikoh4792]

Times like these I wonder if trying to be nice and "fair" really works?

In the years I have been here, I have only repealed 3 bans, this one is the only one I'm starting to regret.

he's done nothing to cause any trouble since he came back. People are actively seeking to instigate a reaction from him...

Since you lifted his ban I haven't once seen him be negative towards people, only defensive since people are beginning to attack him.

[Hotchkiss]

I've only ever had pleasant experiences with Erik. He was a douche, he admitted it. In this thread he has not once attacked someone, only argued his side.

[ErikBush97]

Well I have the right to post useless threads. I'll stay off certain members threads, so you don't have to hear from me, but unless I'm banned again, I don't really know what to tell you guys.

[lady_bug87]

So how am I confused? I knew it was you who got banned before.

Look, if you want to breed stuff with your friend no one can stop you. It's your money. Honestly, after reading your breeding plan I have my doubts. I think you're going about it the wrong way but you do what you want.

Take into consideration where you plan on being over the next 5-10 years and make some priorities.

Also, accept that people aren't always going to like you and shoving your attitude down their throats probably won't help

[ErikBush97]

So how am I confused? I knew it was you who got banned before.

Look, if you want to breed stuff with your friend no one can stop you. It's your money. Honestly, after reading your breeding plan I have my doubts. I think you're going about it the wrong way but you do what you want.

Take into consideration where you plan on being over the next 5-10 years and make some priorities.

Also, accept that people aren't always going to like you and shoving your attitude down their throats probably won't help

Thanks. I didn't mean to shove my attitude down anyone's throat. What would you suggest to improve my plan for breeding?

[Zoo Nanny]

Erik one of the first things you should do is get a lawyer to protect you. 100k sounds like a great deal of money but it really isn't. You should have a contract with your friend which delegates what's paid for monthly and by whom. The electric bill will be high, taxes on the property, insurance on the property and business, food bill, water bill, heating cost, building maintenance, % of ownership of stock, % of income, hours per week invested in upkeep of animals and general job duties and responsibility of vet bills, just to name a few.

[MDT]

Erik one of the first things you should do is get a lawyer to protect you. 100k sounds like a great deal of money but it really isn't. You should have a contract with your friend which delegates what's paid for monthly and by whom. The electric bill will be high, taxes on the property, insurance on the property and business, food bill, water bill, heating cost, building maintenance, % of ownership of stock, % of income, hours per week invested in upkeep of animals and general job duties and responsibility of vet bills, just to name a few.

This is very good info Erik.....pay attention. Also, since you are a minor, it may not be possible for you to enter into a binding contract with anyone...again, ZN suggestion of getting legal advice would be good. Seriously, you apparently just got a reasonable amount of cash. Invest it dude...Slow down. Enjoy the animals you have. $100K could grow into serious money if handled properly.

[lady_bug87]

Thanks. I didn't mean to shove my attitude down anyone's throat. What would you suggest to improve my plan for breeding?

Narrow your scope (species wise)

Invest in high quality (don't breed just to breed. Create high quality animals that are going to make you stand out and I mean genetically and visually)

Know your market. For example beardies can produce up to 22 eggs in a clutch, and lay up to 5 clutches in a season

So if you have 120 bearded babies that means you're probably going to have to wholesale most if not all. Then imagine how hard it's going to be to do that if 10 other people are trying to wholesale 120 bearded dragons. Is especially if the ones you're producing are plain Jane normals. Same goes for anything else you produce.

If you want to make money you need to spend more on individual projects

[lady_bug87]

This is very good info Erik.....pay attention. Also, since you are a minor, it may not be possible for you to enter into a binding contract with anyone...again, ZN suggestion of getting legal advice would be good. Seriously, you apparently just got a reasonable amount of cash. Invest it dude...Slow down. Enjoy the animals you have. $100K could grow into serious money if handled properly.

Great advice indeed

[ErikBush97]

This is very good info Erik.....pay attention. Also, since you are a minor, it may not be possible for you to enter into a binding contract with anyone...again, ZN suggestion of getting legal advice would be good. Seriously, you apparently just got a reasonable amount of cash. Invest it dude...Slow down. Enjoy the animals you have. $100K could grow into serious money if handled properly.

I have no intention to spend that money right now.
My friend hit a cow and also got a settlement (don't know the whole story). It was a lot less than ours but that's how he bought the property that we're using.

[ErikBush97]

Narrow your scope (species wise)

Invest in high quality (don't breed just to breed. Create high quality animals that are going to make you stand out and I mean genetically and visually)

Know your market. For example beardies can produce up to 22 eggs in a clutch, and lay up to 5 clutches in a season

So if you have 120 bearded babies that means you're probably going to have to wholesale most if not all. Then imagine how hard it's going to be to do that if 10 other people are trying to wholesale 120 bearded dragons. Is especially if the ones you're producing are plain Jane normals. Same goes for anything else you produce.

If you want to make money you need to spend more on individual projects

Thank you. Really good advice and I appreciate it. We're definitely going to start with higher quality morphs. And luckily since we're splitting all the cost 50-50 it doesn't really cost a lot to buy anything.

[Hurrok]

I agree with ^^^

Plus, breeding a whole bunch of 'normals' isn't going to get you anywhere (especially bps) since they are already an over abundance in the breeding realm. Sure there are lots of people that want a bp and like normals but it will only get you about $50 per baby. Not much of a profit if you consider caging, caging substrate, heat bills, and food. I have got 10 bps and now that they are all coming close to adulthood and require small-med rats it adds up fast. Can spend over $200 a month just for 10 snakes!

So my advice, spend the extra money and put it towards higher end morphs. You will get a better variety of morphs depending on what you decide to combine, plus isn't that what it's all about? If it's just money your after then this isn't the for you....

[MDT]

And...well....so it goes...we tried. We really did....

I predict you and your cow hitting friend will hit 6 months, max.

[ErikBush97]

And...well....so it goes...we tried. We really did....

I predict you and your cow hitting friend will hit 6 months.

Like the predictions of me keeping my snakes a month?

[Hannibalcanibal]

So.. wait... i was born in 1998. Your username says "97". That puts you at one year older than me. You also look like it, from the link in your sig. There are also kids as admins on your page. So..

Also.... From looking at your threads, you also lack the knowledge to breed anything. I'd not do it if i were you.

[MDT]

Keeping snakes and starting a business where $ and obligations are involved are so completely different, you have no idea. Starting a business w a partner takes the complication factor up several notches. I've started 3...2 failed. I hope you come out on the "other side", but your age and hubris would indicate probably not. Oh well, no worries. Best of luck..

[ErikBush97]

Alright. Well I guess we'll see.

[ErikBush97]

So.. wait... i was born in 1998. Your username says "97". That puts you at one year older than me. You also look like itfrom the link in your sig. There are also kids as admins on your page. So..

Also.... From looking at your threads, you also lack the knowledge to breed anything. I'd not do it if i were you.

If you don't believe I'm old enough to successfully breed, I don't think you're old enough to give me advice on whether or not I should. I don't lack knowledge around breeding. Plus, I have someone with over 15 years of breeding experience working with me.

[infernalis]

From my own personal experience, and I say this to help you Eric, keep a close eye on "partners"

My first ever business partner was a close friend, I still think of him often, I miss John terribly, and we have not even seen each other in 20 years, our business "accidentally" crossed an international copyright line, and we got wiped out by the government, we both lost EVERYTHING, the feds seized it all, and John blamed me for his losses, since I was the one who shipped a whole pallet of disks to Japan.

My second business partner was a total sociopath, he said and did whatever was necessary to get everything away from me and in two years time, he left me homeless, broke and moving back in with my mother while in my thirties with a wife and kid. His exterior charm had an underlying core of greed, I was nothing more to him than an instrument to get what he wanted.

From that moment forward I vowed never to take on another partner for the rest of my life.

Make sure all book keeping and money management takes place together, NEVER trust that he/she is just putting it all in the bank as they should, Hell I even had an employee who was a "close friend" embezzle over 10K before I caught him.

You cannot imagine the heartache of having a friend, the one who was at the hospital with me while my daughter was born, who took me out clubbing all over Orlando with him, I never knew of his intense cocaine habit, he was even stealing from customers to keep the coke flowing up his nose.

It's a big ugly world out there, and you better have balls of steel to deal with it.

I wish you the best of luck, I really do.. just be careful that someone does not milk you dry in the process.

[brylecc1989]

Wayne's wisdom fountain overflows once again.

[ErikBush97]

From my own personal experience, and I say this to help you Eric, keep a close eye on "partners"

My first ever business partner was a close friend, I still think of him often, I miss John terribly, and we have not even seen each other in 20 years, our business "accidentally" crossed an international copyright line, and we got wiped out by the government, we both lost EVERYTHING, the feds seized it all, and John blamed me for his losses, since I was the one who shipped a whole pallet of disks to Japan.

My second business partner was a total sociopath, he said and did whatever was necessary to get everything away from me and in two years time, he left me homeless, broke and moving back in with my mother while in my thirties with a wife and kid. His exterior charm had an underlying core of greed, I was nothing more to him than an instrument to get what he wanted.

From that moment forward I vowed never to take on another partner for the rest of my life.

Make sure all book keeping and money management takes place together, NEVER trust that he/she is just putting it all in the bank as they should, Hell I even had an employee who was a "close friend" embezzle over 10K before I caught him.

You cannot imagine the heartache of having a friend, the one who was at the hospital with me while my daughter was born, who took me out clubbing all over Orlando with him, I never knew of his intense cocaine habit, he was even stealing from customers to keep the coke flowing up his nose.

It's a big ugly world out there, and you better have balls of steel to deal with it.

I wish you the best of luck, I really do.. just be careful that someone does not milk you dry in the process.

Thank you very very much, Wayne. I will be as careful as possible, and do as others have recommended by protecting myself with a lawyer and a written agreement.

[shaunyboy]

Hey, everyone. Me and a friend are getting into a breeding collaboration with each other. He knows a lot more than me so he'll be working with the Burms, and Retics, I'll be working with the Boas, and Ball Pythons. Really excited!! He has tons of snakes and incubators... Everything we need is ready. We're going to buy a few more Boas on Sunday and get going. I'm really excited, and since I have no breeding experience yet, he'll basically be mentoring me. Really really excited, and I'll keep you guys updated on everything.

re more Boa's on Sunday
it's ALWAYS best to quarantine new snakes brought into a collection mate.....

you never know what issues they may have,until you monitor them for a good few months

cheers shaun

[Hannibalcanibal]

Alright, something is not right here. You say you are an adult , and are in colledge. In another thread and with copious evidence for your youth, you state that you are 16. I am 15.

So... Who are you to say that i'm not able to give advice to you?


Anyways.... Don't breed anything. Don't.

[Aaron_S]

Hey, everyone. Me and a friend are getting into a breeding collaboration with each other. He knows a lot more than me so he'll be working with the Burms, and Retics, I'll be working with the Boas, and Ball Pythons. Really excited!! He has tons of snakes and incubators... Everything we need is ready. We're going to buy a few more Boas on Sunday and get going. I'm really excited, and since I have no breeding experience yet, he'll basically be mentoring me. Really really excited, and I'll keep you guys updated on everything.

You know you can't ship burms across State lines correct? So you better have 40 -100 homes all set for each one of those baby burms!!1

[ErikBush97]

Alright, something is not right here. You say you are an adult , and are in colledge. In another thread and with copious evidence for your youth, you state that you are 16. I am 15.

So... Who are you to say that i'm not able to give advice to you?


Anyways.... Don't breed anything. Don't.

I never once said I'm an adult (Quote it and link it if I did...). I'm 16, and in college. You have just as much experience as me. That's why I am completely disregarding your advice.

[infernalis]

stop it!!!! :(