what carpet python is this

[bikerecho]

What carpet python is this? I am thinking about buying it.

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[Derek Roddy]

Looks like an IJ

D

[shaunyboy]

i second that.....

it looks like an Irian Jaya mate

cheers shaun

[bikerecho]

thanks mates
yeah i had a filling after i looked into it.
It's the smallest of carpets, right?
maybe it's too small.

[franks]

thanks mates
yeah i had a filling after i looked into it.
It's the smallest of carpets, right?
maybe it's too small.

Looks exactly like an IJ, but if the seller does not know what the genetics are you risk having a mixed carpet python. There is nothing at all wrong with a mixed locality python, but specifics like "possible size" etc are pretty much a guess considering. In the carpet python field, there are many mixed locality and half breeds floating around. For instance, when someone crosses a jaguar into an IJ line, it will produce snakes that look like IJs but have 50% coastal blood. Hope this all makes sense lol.

[bikerecho]

it actually did make sense.
If it has 50% coastal in it, it would be larger then a normal IJ. that's fine with me.
I am hesitating to buy it because of it's size. i would like it to be bigger. It's 2½ year old.
so i guess it wont grow much larger

[franks]

Depends on how it has been fed etc, but if it is 2 1/2 it should still grow a bit more and fill out (thicken up) some. Most people recommend waiting to breed females for almost 4 yrs, because it takes them a while to properly reach maturity.

[bikerecho]

ohh i see. that's great. i kinda think it's a little too thin compared to other carpets i have seen. so that explains a lot. thanks.

[franks]

Generally, when properly supported and not "power fed" a carpet python will put on its length first, then start adding girth. My IJ is almost pure (93.75% IJ) and is about 4' 6". She just started her grith phase- she is currently less thick than a maglite flashlight. She will probably end up around the thickness of a water bottle and 5' 6".

[franks]

I would like to add, that carpets are not heavy snakes. Even the longer ones are not difficult to handle. At 4' 6" my carpet will hang on me like a bracelet. Fantastic snakes: In my opinion the best all-round pet snakes. The are great to handle, active, eat well, and make awesome use of a display cage set-up for company, or to just enjoy while watching tv etc.

[bikerecho]

that's great. thanks for the reply.
I hope it's a female. The owner doesn't know what sex it is.

[h3h]

I am not an expert by any means, but I agree, IJ. Were you asking for an ID for confirmation, or because the seller doesn't know? I'd be just a bit weary of buying a snake from someone who doesn't know what the snake is...If you decide to pick this snake up let us know, and get us some more pictures!

- h3

[shaunyboy]

it actually did make sense.
If it has 50% coastal in it, it would be larger then a normal IJ. that's fine with me.
I am hesitating to buy it because of it's size. i would like it to be bigger. It's 2½ year old.
so i guess it wont grow much larger

take a picture of your Irian next to something like a sky tv remote,that will give us an idea of his size.....

guaging its size with the water bowl in the picture,it looks rather small for a 2 and a half year old snake mate

cheers shaun

[bikerecho]

i have not bought it yet. so i can do that.
Yeah i think that myself. it's rather small.

[Mikoh4792]

If fed properly IJ's can get just as big as jungles. It's not uncommon to hear of IJ's that get 6ft+. I've even heard of IJ's that get up to 8ft.

I know we're talking about IJ's, but I've been talking with quite a few breeders these days and they tell me Jungle carpets will reach around 3-5 feet by their second year depending on many things... and by their 3rd or 4rth year they will be at breeding size. So I would say if you feed that snake well it could still grow quite a bit in the next few years.

[bikerecho]

great. i am actually gonna pick it up today. i'll keep you updated.

[Terranaut]

Great choice.
Can't wait to see pics!

[bikerecho]

I have it in my room now. It (note that i don't know what sex it is) is better looking then what i imagined it to be by looking at the pictures. so i was positively surprised when i saw the snake.
it's also slightly longer then expected. i feared that it simply was too small by age. this doesn't seam to be the case. I'll make a video soon. It's says more then just a picture.

It is definitely an angry snake btw. The owner also stated that it was (and therefor it had a price that i just could not refuse).
it made me more interested in it sense the other snake i have is too tame in my opinion. but if i just as much as touch it, it immediately turns around and it looks like it will bite.
i will try to make it more tame if that is possible.

All in all: i am happy that i got it. it looks better then expected, the tank also looks better then expected, it's slightly longer then expected, the snake has a satisfying amount of energy and i got a good deal.
so i don't regret the purchase at all.

[bikerecho]

Here is the video:

Angry Snake (Irian Jaya Carpet Python) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cJiS6BuV-I)

[Mikoh4792]

Doesn't look mean to me. Nice looking snake.

Most of my carpets will do that before I handle them. When I first make contact with the skin they immediately turn to my hand like your snake did in that video, but they don't bite. I just go ahead and grab them.

[bikerecho]

hmmm. i'll try to take on some kitchen gloves and pick it up today.

[Mikoh4792]

hmmm. i'll try to take on some kitchen gloves and pick it up today.

I think it would get used to you faster if you use bare hands. It wouldn't do much damage at that size anyways.

[bikerecho]

i'll try with gloves first. then later with bare hands. i got to admit i am a little scared of it sense i have never been bitten by a snake before. it's properly no big deal for you guys, but try to remember the first time you had to handle a snake that isn't calm.

[Mikoh4792]

i'll try with gloves first. then later with bare hands. i got to admit i am a little scared of it sense i have never been bitten by a snake before. it's properly no big deal for you guys, but try to remember the first time you had to handle a snake that isn't calm.

also another reason why your carpet seemed to be startled is because you tickled it's sides. Next time try picking it up from underneath.

[Terranaut]

Jusy try to resist ripping your hand away like that. If glove keep you from doing it wear them. If your snake has your hand and you do that you will cause it great harm. If your hand is in range and the snake goes for it you will never pull your hand away in time anyway. Although the snake will learn you faster bare handed sometimes gloves are a must. Roll the gloves inside out and wear them a bit before flipping them back for handling. Your palms will sweat a bit and the glove will smell of you. Some carpets never grow out of this. I hope yours will. He looks very nice. Also you did just get him. Even if his viv is the same the view and smells have all changed. Wait a week before you bug him again if you can.

[bikerecho]

thanks for the reply. i'll keep that in mind

[bikerecho]

i can confirm that the snake is "mean"
It did bite my glove. i'll try to see if i can take it out when i get home. (i am going shopping now) i will definitely keep my gloves on the first time it's gonna leave it's tank in over 2 years.

[Terranaut]

The snake is defensive , not mean. Did you manage to get him out? Each time he strikes and you leave him be after teaches him to strike more. You must get him out successfully not matter what he does. Handle for 2 minutes then return him.

[shaunyboy]

hmmm. i'll try to take on some kitchen gloves and pick it up today.


imo its better to get it feeding regular,before you start handling it to calm it down

cheers shaun

[bikerecho]

Terranaut: Copy that. makes sense.
i have not taken it out yet. i have just come home from a tiring trip to the city.
i'll try later today.

shaunyboy:
So take it out when it's not hungry? i have just feed it yesterday. so i don't think it's hungry.


i'll let you guys know how it went when i take it out.
thanks for all you guys help so far. i have learned alot.

[Donnie]

If you only fed him yesterday then don't handle him at all. If you handle them before they have digested their food then you increase the chances of them regurgitating their meal.
What Shaun is meaning is to make sure they are settled and have had about 4 consecutive feeds before you start to try handling them.

[bikerecho]

i see.
I haven't taking him out yet, but i had my glove on and kinda pet him inside the tank for about 2 minutes.
he attacked the glove yesterday when i tried, but i think he is starting to learn that the glove is not a treat.
i hope this is a step in the right direction.

i'll leave him alone for a while then to let him digest.

[Mikoh4792]

I haven't taking him out yet, but i had my glove on and kinda pet him inside the tank for about 2 minutes.

I just told you that's one of the reasons it's getting startled. Don't pet the snake, pick him up from underneath. It will be much easier. Snakes are not like dogs that like to be pet. If anything it scares them.

[franks]

A good dark hide that it can disappear into and come out when it wants may help it to acclimate.

[bikerecho]

yet again thanks for you taking the time to help a noob like me.

Ok. i'll take him out for real today (by picking him up from underneath), when i get home from work.
it's 3 days sense it eat, so i think it has digested a good deal of the mice. or what do you think?
i'll keep my gloves on the first time and maybe take them off the second time.

He has a good hide that he uses when i feel like it. So hope that helps.

[Terranaut]

If your going to handle him...handle him. Reach in and grab with authority. No second guessing or hesitations. If the snake strikes, ignor it. Just carry on. Now once he is out and you have given him a solid minute to calm down you can change your hand positiins and such. No threatening moves but no hesitation either. Ignor strikes and keep this first session down to a couple minutes. You may wish to try setting him down and picking him back up. Be direct. If you act unsure the snake may sense it. Now all of this being said, if the snake goes ballistic and thrashes itself in a way that it could get hurt then put it down. I think you will be surprised at how it will calm down. But there is a chance it may
not. Some never do.

[shaunyboy]

shaunyboy:
So take it out when it's not hungry? i have just feed it yesterday. so i don't think it's hungry.


i'll let you guys know how it went when i take it out.
thanks for all you guys help so far. i have learned alot.

^^^^^
sorry mate i should have explained it better

If you only fed him yesterday then don't handle him at all. If you handle them before they have digested their food then you increase the chances of them regurgitating their meal.
What Shaun is meaning is to make sure they are settled and have had about 4 consecutive feeds before you start to try handling them.


^^^^^
this (thanks mate)

i mean't only after its ate 4 or 5 times in a row,would i start taking it out and handling it to try and calm it down

i give my snakes 2 or 3 days to digest their prey,before handling

i only handle when its needed,i'm not one for taking my Carpets out their tanks (not that there's anything wrong with folk who handle regular)


re lifting a snake after its fed
If needed a snake can be moved after feeding,imo you just have to be careful when doing it...

i keep same sized females and same sized pairs together,so i have to seperate them at feeding times,one gets fed in the tank and one gets fed in a tub (no set routine,i just take out the snake thats easiest to get out the tank,on the feeding day)

after feeding i put the snakes that were fed in the tubs, back into the tank with the other snake,i make sure i support the feeding bulge as i do it

when returning Carpet Pythons back into the tank, after they have ate and are in full feeding mode,you have to be careful for yourself as well,Carpets will hit and hold anything with a heat signature when in feeding mode !!!

[bikerecho]

i just picked him up. He really isn't so bad as a though. he is just misunderstood (by me)
This snake is really something different to my ball python. this one is way more energetic.
i am not so afraid of him anymore. i am happy with my purchase. ^^

[Terranaut]

i just picked him up. He really isn't so bad as a though. he is just misunderstood (by me)
This snake is really something different to my ball python. this one is way more energetic.
i am not so afraid of him anymore. i am happy with my purchase. ^^

Like I said it is amazing how they will calm down. I love the curiosity level of carpets. Glad it is working out.

[bikerecho]

It definitely did.
Thank you all awesome people in this thread.
your advises have helped quite a bit.

[Mikoh4792]

Glad the handling is getting better. Very interesting animals.