What snake is this? Thanks

[Idontknow]

Does anyone know what snake this is and if it is venomous?
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[infernalis]

I am confused, you list your country a Yugoslavia, yet when I do a back check, it says you are in Charlotte N.C. here in the USA.

Looks as if someone has killed a harmless water snake.

[ErikBush97]

I am confused, you list your country a Yugoslavia, yet when I do a back check, it says you are in Charlotte N.C. here in the USA.

Looks as if someone has killed a harmless water snake.

Either a proxy or he lied. I'd guess he killed it out of fear, and asked questions later

[Doug 351]

Either a proxy or he lied. I'd guess he killed it out of fear, and asked questions later

No doubt. Kill first and ask questions later. People are always killing "Copperheads" and bragging about it in my neighborhood. Poor rat snakes can't catch a break.

[ErikBush97]

No doubt. Kill first and ask questions later. People are always killing "Copperheads" and bragging about it in my neighborhood. Poor rat snakes can't catch a break.

My friends know I am into reptiles, but still think it's cool to brag about that... (We don't have copperheads, but they still find satisfaction in killing innocent and harmless animals). Well... Ex-Friends. Dont hangout with people like that. And honestly; I can't completely blame this guy for killing what looks like a Garter or a Water Snake. There's so much false info all over (hear people try to say that all snakes are "poisonous" and "the only good snake, is a dead one" all the time...) Plus what the Media puts out... Look at animal planet for example. Always made to pump their viewers will fear; rather than educating them.
And to the Origonal Poster; Try and look up whay types of snakes reside in your area. No innocent animals need to die, and even if it is venomous, it won't mess with you. Snakes don't even like being around their siblings. They aren't going to go after you.

[ErikBush97]

Also: It's easier to identify animals when their faces are intact... Just sayin'.

[smy_749]

Maybe he is yugoslavian and living in Charlotte..? Are we supposed to put location we are living at there or is country of origin acceptable?

[StudentoReptile]

The answer that I always go with at this point is: a dead snake. You (or the actual person who killed it) did not care enough to take the time to figure out local species beforehand, so it really does not matter anymore since it is dead.

[sharthun]

The answer that I always go with at this point is: a dead snake. You (or the actual person who killed it) did not care enough to take the time to figure out local species beforehand, so it really does not matter anymore since it is dead.


Great Point! IMO I think we need forum rules preventing posting pics of "I found this dead snake or any herp":shocked:

[Starbuck]

I disagree. Whatever the reason (hit by car, killed by ignorance or avarice) dead snakes are a reality. This allows us the chan vBulletin e to say 'it is a HARMLESS xyz, and this is how it benefits your local biome, so leave it be'. Treat everything like an oppourtunity to educate, and its not your issue whether the lesson is recieved or not.

[smy_749]

The reality is, if you own a home, have children and no knowledge of snakes/ a fear of them, I can't blame you for smashing it with a shovel because you thought it was a danger to your family. Atleast they came here afterwards to learn and perhaps avoid the mistake of killing a harmless species next time....as opposed to not caring and killing them every time regardless

[sharthun]

I disagree. Whatever the reason (hit by car, killed by ignorance or avarice) dead snakes are a reality. This allows us the chan vBulletin e to say 'it is a HARMLESS xyz, and this is how it benefits your local biome, so leave it be'. Treat everything like an oppourtunity to educate, and its not your issue whether the lesson is recieved or not.

It's the "killed by ignorance" that frustrates me!

[Idontknow]

I am confused, you list your country a Yugoslavia, yet when I do a back check, it says you are in Charlotte N.C. here in the USA.

Looks as if someone has killed a harmless water snake.

Well there was no option for US or United States when choosing my location during signup. I am from Yugoslavia but moved to US 13 years ago. Here is a better pictures before I killed it.25342

[Idontknow]

Ok everyone thanks for making me feel bad. You are snake lovers and experts and I am a plumber. I get out of the car and I am about to get my 2 kids out ( 1 and 3) and I almost step on it. It wont move, I cant move the car, the wife is freaking out because the kids play outside all day and we do our google research and it appears to be a copperhead. This is the first time I killed an animal. I have been stung by jelly fish, sting ray, messed up by carolina yellow jackets, more then 1 spyder bite... I was not gonna risk my kids this time. Sorry guys, and if the snake was harmless I apologize to the forum. Here is a better picture:
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[Idontknow]

The answer that I always go with at this point is: a dead snake. You (or the actual person who killed it) did not care enough to take the time to figure out local species beforehand, so it really does not matter anymore since it is dead.

It does matter for the next snake that comes by my yard. Thanks

[Idontknow]

The reality is, if you own a home, have children and no knowledge of snakes/ a fear of them, I can't blame you for smashing it with a shovel because you thought it was a danger to your family. Atleast they came here afterwards to learn and perhaps avoid the mistake of killing a harmless species next time....as opposed to not caring and killing them every time regardless

Thank You.

[infernalis]

Either a proxy or he lied. I'd guess he killed it out of fear, and asked questions later

No doubt. Kill first and ask questions later. People are always killing "Copperheads" and bragging about it in my neighborhood. Poor rat snakes can't catch a break.

The above statements are uncalled for and immature. I am disappointed in these replies and others like it.

Guess what, I started my lawn mower last summer, an innocent storeria had decided to hide under the flywheel, pureed half the snake... am I a bad man too??

Did you know that in the past biologists "collected" animals by killing them?

Get a grip people, this man came here to learn what he has in front of him, and calling him names & judging his character based on one post is just wrong. How do you know he didn't feel bad? how do you know if his conscience weighs heavy or not?


The reality is, if you own a home, have children and no knowledge of snakes/ a fear of them, I can't blame you for smashing it with a shovel because you thought it was a danger to your family. At least they came here afterwords to learn and perhaps avoid the mistake of killing a harmless species next time....as opposed to not caring and killing them every time regardless

Thank you very much smy_749 , My thoughts exactly.:cool:

If this person felt NO remourse for this, why would he have bothered asking for ID?

[smy_749]

I have an uncle who lives in the woods, there are the occasional rattlesnake where he lives so he chops everythings head off with an axe. Recently he came to my house and held a few snakes (he has a major phobia but came around) and we sat on my computer so I could show him native species. He called me a week later to tell me he found a 'nice' eastern milk and that he let it go.

Thats why I understand it I guess...

[RandyRhoads]

No one should blame you for your actions.

PETA strikes again...

[sharthun]

I also agree in this situation protection of family is number 1. It's the needless killing of snakes just because they are snakes or for bragging rights on YouTube that burns me.

[Hannibalcanibal]

I don't care that you killed the snake. It was on your property, and you killed it so it would not hurt anyone. I mean, sure, there are alternatives, but not everyone thinks of that, and a lot of people don't even know they are out there.

If it were me, i would have done something else, but it's not Like you killed a person or someone's dog/cat or anything.

Now, as for what to do next time... Become proficient in identifying snakes in your area, if you are sure it is a harmless snake, then just leave it be, it will eat rodents and unwanted pests. If it is venomous, then deal with it as you see fit, which could include killing it- or you could call a venomous snake keeper, or a rescue or other organization capable of removing it and putting it away from your home.

[ErikBush97]

Ok everyone thanks for making me feel bad. You are snake lovers and experts and I am a plumber. I get out of the car and I am about to get my 2 kids out ( 1 and 3) and I almost step on it. It wont move, I cant move the car, the wife is freaking out because the kids play outside all day and we do our google research and it appears to be a copperhead. This is the first time I killed an animal. have been stung by jelly fish, sting ray, messed up by carolina yellow jackets, more then 1 spyder bite... I was not gonna risk my kids this time. Sorry guys, and if the snake was harmless I apologize to the forum. Here is a better picture:
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So you get out of your car, see a snake, everyone's freaking out for their safety, and you're worried about your kids, so You stop and take a picture and then kill it? If there's one, there's 100 more. You could have just moved it... Or even left it alone. Teach your kids to stay away if you're scared. Snakes aren't like a lot of other animals. They will not come after you or your family like some wolves, etc. Still can't really tell from the picture. Looks like a completely different snake than the one in the first picture, IMO.

[ErikBush97]

The above statements are uncalled for and immature. I am disappointed in these replies and others like it.

Guess what, I started my lawn mower last summer, an innocent storeria had decided to hide under the flywheel, pureed half the snake... am I a bad man too??

Did you know that in the past biologists "collected" animals by killing them?

Get a grip people, this man came here to learn what he has in front of him, and calling him names & judging his character based on one post is just wrong. How do you know he didn't feel bad? how do you know if his conscience weighs heavy or not?




Thank you very much smy_749 , My thoughts exactly.:cool:

If this person felt NO remourse for this, why would he have bothered asking for ID?

I don't really understand how what I said was immature. I do understand you, and see your point, though. Sorry to you, and the OP.

[ErikBush97]

Guess it makes some sense to me. If I found something I perceived as scarey, like a Lion in my yard, or something that I didn't know a lot about, it's instinct to protect your family. I truly am happy that you came here to learn. Some people kill animals they know are innocent just for the hell of it. At least you are trying to figure out what it is so no more snakes get hurt

[marvelfreak]

Truthfully from the first picture it looks like a copperhead to me. (before he killed it picture)
I also like to say thanks to the OP for taking the time to educate yourself so you'll know the next time. Just remember thought some time it can be hard to tell for sure what kind a snake is. If your not 100% sure that a snake not venomous then please be safe and don't mess with it or try to remove it. Call some one who knows what they are doing.

[KORBIN5895]

Maybe he is yugoslavian and living in Charlotte..? Are we supposed to put location we are living at there or is country of origin acceptable?

I use my country of origin because I'm proud of my nation.

As for dude killing the snake... Nichevo. I will admit I have killed many in my time and I like them. I am a very practical person and the reasons I have done what I have done are good enough for me.

Here is a little known fact about me. My favorite animals are turtles bar none. I have kept many of them growing up and even made outdoor ponds. Did you know that one of my favorite meats is snapping turtle? Does this make evil?

[Mikoh4792]

I use my country of origin because I'm proud of my nation.

As for dude killing the snake... Nichevo. I will admit I have killed many in my time and I like them. I am a very practical person and the reasons I have done what I have done are good enough for me.

Here is a little known fact about me. My favorite animals are turtles bar none. I have kept many of them growing up and even made outdoor ponds. Did you know that one of my favorite meats is snapping turtle? Does this make evil?

What's it taste like? I've never heard of people eating turtles. I've heard of alligator steaks and have tried frog legs once but turtle is new to me.

[smy_749]

What's it taste like? I've never heard of people eating turtles. I've heard of alligator steaks and have tried frog legs once but turtle is new to me.

Never heard of turtle soup? My grandpa loves the stuff

[Mikoh4792]

Never heard of turtle soup? My grandpa loves the stuff

nope, but now I'm going to have to try it.

[KORBIN5895]

Snapper is great. It ranges from very dark meat to an almost translucent white meat.

[infernalis]

I use my country of origin because I'm proud of my nation.

Exactly, and perfectly acceptable. With that in mind, I would like to ask that folks refrain from passing judgment on a new poster.

A very good friend of mine who seldom goes on forums at all anymore moved to America from her homeland in Germany. She has a German flag proudly flying next to her name, and she lives in New York.

If I could put a Cherokee flag next to my name, I would, as I am proud of my country, just not very proud of it's current government.

[KORBIN5895]

Exactly, and perfectly acceptable. .

Of course. Would I ever do anything unacceptable or questionable?

[infernalis]

Of course. Would I ever do anything unacceptable or questionable?

That's in the eyes of the beholder ;)

[Doug 351]

I use my country of origin because I'm proud of my nation.

As for dude killing the snake... Nichevo. I will admit I have killed many in my time and I like them. I am a very practical person and the reasons I have done what I have done are good enough for me.

Here is a little known fact about me. My favorite animals are turtles bar none. I have kept many of them growing up and even made outdoor ponds. Did you know that one of my favorite meats is snapping turtle? Does this make evil?

No-but I'd like to know what does. LOL.
As for my post, it was not my intent to single out or condemn IDK for his actions but a comment that killing out of fear and ignorance is the norm. I apologize to IDK anyway and say I commend him now that more facts have come out. I would have done the same thing in his place. I could easily misidentify the snake in the live picture as a Copperhead. So IDK don't feel bad for being normal. I don't see where anyone called anyone names though.

Korbin has made some really good points here. Turtles aren't my favorite but I have raised a few and I like them. I also have eaten them (remind me of alligator).I also enjoy rattlesnake occasionally.

I too have killed my share of snakes out of fear and ignorance in the past. I STILL kill a few (so called harmless snakes occasionally) on purpose with full knowledge of their exact identification. Harmless only means that they are non-venomous. When I have a snake that is killing helpful toads around my house and relocation doesn't seem to be helping. ....

So IDK welcome to the forum and we hope you'll stick around.

[smy_749]

No-but I'd like to know what does. LOL.
As for my post, it was not my intent to single out or condemn IDK for his actions but a comment that killing out of fear and ignorance is the norm. I apologize to IDK anyway and say I commend him now that more facts have come out. I would have done the same thing in his place. I could easily misidentify the snake in the live picture as a Copperhead. So IDK don't feel bad for being normal. I don't see where anyone called anyone names though.

Korbin has made some really good points here. Turtles aren't my favorite but I have raised a few and I like them. I also have eaten them (remind me of alligator).I also enjoy rattlesnake occasionally.

I too have killed my share of snakes out of fear and ignorance in the past. I STILL kill a few (so called harmless snakes occasionally) on purpose with full knowledge of their exact identification. Harmless only means that they are non-venomous. When I have a snake that is killing helpful toads around my house and relocation doesn't seem to be helping. ....

So IDK welcome to the forum and we hope you'll stick around.

This I don't agree with at all. Killing a species that is no threat to you, because of toads? Way to interfere with the natural order / food chain...

[KORBIN5895]

That's in the eyes of the beholder ;)

You guys are just too kind.

[Mikoh4792]

This I don't agree with at all. Killing a species that is no threat to you, because of toads? Way to interfere with the natural order / food chain...

I know I am playing with semantics here, but I see humans as a naturally destructive force. I wouldn't call it interfering with nature, as we are natural. I would call it destroying nature. Either way, it's a bad thing which is all that matters. Why are the toads so helpful Doug?

[RandyRhoads]

I use my country of origin because I'm proud of my nation.


Hooah......hooah...:blink:

I am proud of my country, just not very proud of it's current government.

Double hooah.....double hooah...

Lol...

[smy_749]

I know I am playing with semantics here, but I see humans as a naturally destructive force. I wouldn't call it interfering with nature, as we are natural. I would call it destroying nature. Either way, it's a bad thing which is all that matters. Why are the toads so helpful Doug?

Isn't destroying nature a type of interference with nature?

[Mikoh4792]

Isn't destroying nature a type of interference with nature?

Not really. I don't mean to put words in your mouth by saying this, but nature isn't all rainbows and butterflies. It's also disasters, and death. Humans are nature, and nature can be destructive. It's not really an interference. But then again, I'm just playing with semantics. I think we both meant to say the same thing. In the end, it's not good to just start killing animals unless they do become a major threat. Maybe they were in Doug's case which is why I asked him why the toads were so important. Still waiting on a reply.

[StudentoReptile]

I still hold to my initial statement. Learning about the local wildlife in your area is simply part of living in it. You learn driving etiquette, you learn how to look both ways before crossing the street, and you should learn how to distinguish between dangerous & harmless species so you can do so BEFORE actually encountering them.

I do try to educate, but my frustration is stemmed from countless instances where the SAME people keep killing the SAME harmless snake species over and over, and STILL ask me if it is poisonous or not. Most people don't want to learn; they're looking for any justification for killing something out of ignorance. Sorry if I did not make anyone feel warm and fuzzy with my post, but I'm not apologizing for what I said.

[Doug 351]

I know I am playing with semantics here, but I see humans as a naturally destructive force. I wouldn't call it interfering with nature, as we are natural. I would call it destroying nature. Either way, it's a bad thing which is all that matters. Why are the toads so helpful Doug?

Here in Texas we are besieged by an infestation of the most deadly animal on the planet. The mosquito is hands down the greatest killer of man (outside of cable TV, LOL) . Texas happens to have twice the National average of West Nile virus and the most concentrated cases are in my backyard.

But that really isn't the point. As much as I wouldn't like it, if someone wanted to kill a snake because they just didn't like the way they looked- it's their privilege to do so.

It's the mindless destruction that bothers me. And that is where we can make a difference.

[smy_749]

Here in Texas we are besieged by an infestation of the most deadly animal on the planet. The mosquito is hands down the greatest killer of man (outside of cable TV, LOL) . Texas happens to have twice the National average of West Nile virus and the most concentrated cases are in my backyard.

But that really isn't the point. As much as I wouldn't like it, if someone wanted to kill a snake because they just didn't like the way they looked- it's their privilege to do so.

It's the mindless destruction that bothers me. And that is where we can make a difference.

Same thing...

[Doug 351]

Let's turn this around. Tell me why it is so important to let one of an obviously thriving population of snakes that is not in its natural habitat but is killing amphibians that I know are definitely helpful live?

[KORBIN5895]

How is it not in its natural habitat?

[Doug 351]

I got to thinking-maybe I should clarify my position just a bit. Toads are one of my favorite animals. Not too many years ago, it was commonplace to see a smashed toad on every corner. Now you don't see any. I guess they just Googled up how to miss cars.

Scientists have not been able to explain the cause of the dramatic decline in the frog and toad population. Regardless, I still look at whether a creature is beneficial to man or not. I've been down this road before so let's just cut out the bull right now.

The only way we can let nature take it's course is pack up and leave. Everyone here has and does have a major impact on the natural world and hands on killing is maybe 2 or 3% of the equation. Habitat destruction is #1.So that means if you really care so much about nature, tear your house down and leave. We can't leave it up to nature now without a time machine.
It's just not that simple. Man has already upset the "balance" of nature and just stepping away won't bring it back.

So now that we killed the cougars and wolves we must kill the deer or starvation and disease will. FACT-PERIOD.

So I have a couple of ponds and I have been trying to singlehandedly bring the toad population back and it's working (hence the constant influx of the evil toad killers).I'll go one further-how about all you Yellow Bellied Water Snake owners rise up in protest!

[Doug 351]

How is it not in its natural habitat?

My backyard is whatever ecosystem I decide it should be. It is not a natural habitat. I import many lizards (local native) I control the rodent and insect population. I grow food plants.I control weed species. I have an above normal toad population. I have a small opposum population. I feed birds.I have ponds that I manage. I have a healthy population of beneficial snakes that I (and my ambassador Oscar:Texas Rat snake) have worked many years with the neighborhood to build. It doesn't even closely resemble nearby natural habitat. Does your backyard?

I have relocated many problem snakes. Several of this species. To be honest I don't even like to relocate them because they will just kill frogs somewhere else. If the frog/toad population wasn't down to less than 5% of what it was I wouldn't have a problem. Nobody can really say exactly what it was that caused this-but it was manmade. To say that man should now not interfere just doesn't wash with me.

This is like saying your house is a natural habitat and why would you mess with the natural order and kill rodents, roaches, mosquitoes, or other nuisance pests and not just let nature take it's course.

I don't really know for sure what the government is doing to clean up the environmental catastrophe that is Florida and large snakes. But I can tell you the only chance we have. There has to be a bounty on them dead or alive. Not enough people are equipped to capture these snakes alive and the situation requires drastic measures. Those people who don't want to see them destroyed will step up their game as well.

Again these snakes are "harmless snakes" but the ecological devastation is far from harmless.BTW- is a rock python a "harmless" snake?

[smy_749]

Doug, which planet are you from ? lol

[Mikoh4792]

Doug I think you are warping the argument to suit your needs. It is the snakes' natural habitat. You are the one living in it's natural home and turning it "unnatural" by creating your own ecosystem around your house. If you introduce a population of small animals around your home you can't blame the predators that come looking for food.

[smy_749]

We are changing the environment. We know that and nobody would argue otherwise. It does NOT give you free license to do as you please. Nature will still do its job, and species which can keep up with the changes will thrive, and species which do not adapt to these changes will not. If you don't like that the snakes are doing great and the toads are not, too bad.

[Pareeeee]

Did anyone actually inform OP of what the snake is? I scrolled through and nothing seems related to the OP's question.

As for OP killing the snake, I hate to see it happen, but he can't help it if he didn't know what species it was and he thought his kids were in danger. Hopefully, with a little info from others who are knowledgeable of snakes native to his state, he will be able to tell the difference between the dangerous and harmless snakes in the future.

[poison123]

Did anyone actually inform OP of what the snake is? I scrolled through and nothing seems related to the OP's question.



Wayne did in the first reply.

[KORBIN5895]

My backyard is whatever ecosystem I decide it should be.

Sweet! Why don't you turn your backyard into Antarctica! Penguins are pretty dope.



I have relocated many problem snakes. Several of this species. To be honest I don't even like to relocate them because they will just kill frogs somewhere else. If the frog/toad population wasn't down to less than 5% of what it was I wouldn't have a problem..

So what do you plan on doing when the snakes you are killing have a population of less than 5%? Are you going to setup your backyard to single handily bring them back too? But what will happen to all of your toads?


I don't really know for sure what the government is doing to clean up the environmental catastrophe that is Florida and large snakes. BTW- is a rock python a "harmless" snake?

You really need to stop talking about things that you so obviously know nothing about.

The more of your posts I read the more I realize that you must live in a totally blissful existence.

[Hannibalcanibal]

Sweet! Why don't you turn your backyard into Antarctica! Penguins are pretty dope.

LOL yeah, why not throw some polar bears in there too? I mean, they are from opposite sides of the earth, but with your backyard being whatever you want...

[Mikoh4792]

Not to kick a dead horse here but I was going to suggest sea monkeys

[Doug 351]

Hahahahaaaaaa-no.I only import local species that in many cases I already have some of and the rest are in the area. I should say relocate. We have enough trouble with introduced species already. I can see responses based on emotions here. My reaction to these snakes is partly based on emotions as well. One thing to keep in mind is that I have been in the same place for about 30 years. I have seen a lot of changes in my neighborhood.

I don't go out and hunt these snakes down. I try to relocate them when I can and like I said I don't really even like that. I don't like killing them either. I don't have the perfect solution. If you do please post.

I didn't realize I was the only one manipulating my environment. I guess everyone else here has a house on stilts in a totally natural environment. Unless you do-you are creating your own ecosystem. I have a St. Augustine front lawn. I guess everyone else has natural flora.The point is that probably everyone here creates their own ecosystem on their property whether they realize it or not.

Do you let just any nusiance species breed unchecked and let nature take care of it? The truth is that the decline in frog populations is probably tied into mans manipulation of the insect population with chemicals for food production. Again, I think the point has been missed that this is a manmade problem and just saying let survival of the fittest solve it is asinine and obviously totally out of touch with the problem.

As far as decimating the yellow bellied water snake population, I've relocated 4 and killed 2 in the last 10 years. No telling how many have been around (and may still be) that I just never see.

Talk about posting about something you know nothing about-I see a whole lot of judgment without any knowledge of the problem at hand just because a snake is killed. To believe that there are no problem snakes is about as valid as believing that the only good snake is a dead snake.

[Pareeeee]

Wayne did in the first reply.

oh. Thanks, duh. :rolleyes: lol

[StudentoReptile]

Doug, you're not the only one manipulating the ecosystem, and no one said so either. The main point we're are trying to get across is that ALL of the species you encounter were there first, not just your beloved toads. Water snakes are NOT an invasive; they are just as native there as anything else, and it behooves you to simply accept them as a reality.

If you relocate them, sure fine, do whatever helps you sleep at night. I'll relocate venomous that I see in my yard just for safety reasons for own children. But it is naive and very ignorant of you to think you can control the entire populations of toads in that little hunk of land you call your property. I'm with everyone else; you have shown any evidence that you have an accurate understanding of what is taking place here. But whatever, I can't argue with a rock. Believe whatever you want, but at least start RESEARCHING the local wildlife before killing stuff out of ignorance. YES, you did kill that snake out of ignorance.

[Doug 351]

That is the point-I have researched both animals in question. I don't have an official verification but I believe that some of the toads I have are Houston Entire Toads (bufo houstonensis) that are endangered. It really doesn't matter to me though because that is just a Government classification. I have seen this before. Years before the Government placed the Texas horned toad on the threatened/endangered species list I saw the decline. The toad population drop is more drastic. They are in trouble. My personal local population is about 24 toads.Given a good year, out of the hundreds of babies 2 will survive. Currently there are 8 species of toads and frogs on the threatened or endangered species list.

The yellow bellied watersnake has a thriving population across many southern states. I have to hold to my position that the toads need preferential treatment.

BTW- in case you got this twisted-I bought some lizards in all I did for the toads was build ponds and quit raising bullfrogs.I like toads but if there were a sustainable population I wouldn't interfere with nature. Saying that we shouldn't worry about their destruction shows a huge lack of understanding of their role in the environment on your part.

[Doug 351]

Doug, which planet are you from ? lol

The produce alone was worth the trip.

[KORBIN5895]

As I said before I don't care all that much that you are killing snakes. That is not why I point out how foolish and ignorant your post are. I point out how foolish and ignorant your posts are because they are foolish and ignorant.

Now please explain the ecological disaster you mentioned in Florida.

[Doug 351]

I use my country of origin because I'm proud of my nation.

As for dude killing the snake... Nichevo. I will admit I have killed many in my time and I like them. I am a very practical person and the reasons I have done what I have done are good enough for me.



Care to elaborate? The firing squad has to be running low on ammo by now. I don't know what your intention was, but mine was to make IDK feel like he hadn't done anything inexcusable and not to feel too bad about it and we're not just all snake lovers who freak out just because someone kills a snake. Guess I was wrong.

Sorry-but if this is how you treat the choir. ........

[KORBIN5895]

Care to elaborate? The firing squad has to be running low on ammo by now. I don't know what your intention was, but mine was to make IDK feel like he hadn't done anything inexcusable and not to feel too bad about it and we're not just all snake lovers who freak out just because someone kills a snake. Guess I was wrong.

Sorry-but if this is how you treat the choir. ........

The choir? You haven't even made it into the vestibule of knowledge, let alone the sanctuary of wisdom.

Now please explain to me the ecological disaster in Florida that you think the government should be fixing.

[Doug 351]

As I said before I don't care all that much that you are killing snakes. That is not why I point out how foolish and ignorant your post are. I point out how foolish and ignorant your posts are because they are foolish and ignorant.

Now please explain the ecological disaster you mentioned in Florida.

Sorry-we were both posting at the same time. Florida has a huge problem with large snakes that were released by those kind of idiots you want to regulate back home (maybe).I say maybe because how they got into the ecosystem isn't known for sure. It could have been responsible owners that had snake escape proof cages but they weren't hurricane proof.My money is on the former. Anyway now pythons and anacondas are breeding in the wild and their numbers and range is expanding at an alarming rate.

The government response is obviously failing. My solution is not some esoteric theory that evolved in my head, but based on history and what has worked and what hasn't. The government has placed bounties on nuisance animals in the past in this country and they were hunted to the point of extinction.

I don't have to tell you what it takes to subdue a 10'+ snake for capture. That's IF you can get it in a position to capture it in the first place.

But any redneck with a shotgun can take one out just seeing it's head in range. I don't know if this would solve the problem or not, but the government has to regulate the harvest of alligators mainly because they are worth money.

So the point is-the only viable solution is to kill many of these snakes. Whether we like it or not is the semantics.

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[smy_749]

I stated in the first page or so that he shouldn't be bashed for what he'd done and I can't blame him and hes doing his part.

YOU SAID that you sometimes kill snakes even when you know they are harmless and non-venomous or poisonous as you say....Which is stupid and ignorant and we do NOT support that on these forums.

What IDK did is different than what you talked about, don't confuse the two.

[KORBIN5895]

Sorry-we were both posting at the same time. Florida has a huge problem with large snakes that were released by those kind of idiots you want to regulate back home (maybe).I say maybe because how they got into the ecosystem isn't known for sure. It could have been responsible owners that had snake escape proof cages but they weren't hurricane proof.My money is on the former. Anyway now pythons and anacondas are breeding in the wild and their numbers and range is expanding at an alarming rate.

The government response is obviously failing. My solution is not some esoteric theory that evolved in my head, but based on history and what has worked and what hasn't. The government has placed bounties on nuisance animals in the past in this country and they were hunted to the point of extinction.

I don't have to tell you what it takes to subdue a 10'+ snake for capture. That's IF you can get it in a position to capture it in the first place.

But any redneck with a shotgun can take one out just seeing it's head in range. I don't know if this would solve the problem or not, but the government has to regulate the harvest of alligators mainly because they are worth money.

So the point is-the only viable solution is to kill many of these snakes. Whether we like it or not is the semantics.

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Maybe you should go do some research.

[smy_749]

Sorry-we were both posting at the same time. Florida has a huge problem with large snakes that were released by those kind of idiots you want to regulate back home (maybe).I say maybe because how they got into the ecosystem isn't known for sure. It could have been responsible owners that had snake escape proof cages but they weren't hurricane proof.My money is on the former. Anyway now pythons and anacondas are breeding in the wild and their numbers and range is expanding at an alarming rate.

The government response is obviously failing. My solution is not some esoteric theory that evolved in my head, but based on history and what has worked and what hasn't. The government has placed bounties on nuisance animals in the past in this country and they were hunted to the point of extinction.

I don't have to tell you what it takes to subdue a 10'+ snake for capture. That's IF you can get it in a position to capture it in the first place.

But any redneck with a shotgun can take one out just seeing it's head in range. I don't know if this would solve the problem or not, but the government has to regulate the harvest of alligators mainly because they are worth money.

So the point is-the only viable solution is to kill many of these snakes. Whether we like it or not is the semantics.

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They should have like a competition, where the winner who kills the most snakes gets like, money and stuffs. Then people from all over who are experts at hunting snakes, and those crazy 'ol rednecks could hunt em all down and shoot em all and solve the problem and maybe win a prize. I bet they will find so many, and they will stop that crazy infestation of theirs, eating alligators and boats and what not.

[Doug 351]

Wow-Fred Alistaire would be proud. Korbin-you ought to be a professional dancer.Still waiting- why did you post that and what are the reasons that made it OK to kill harmless snakes that were "good enough for me? "

[Doug 351]

Maybe you should go do some research.

I believe I already did and showed so.

If you want to make me look the fool, do so with realistic solutions backed up by fact.lf you want to play the fool- carry on.

[ErikBush97]

Toads are one of my favorite animals.

You edited your post and deleted this but you said

I know toads help the environment

So you "know" they help, you just don't know how? I like snakes. I'm not going to go kill birds, cats, etc so they don't get eaten just because snakes are my favorite animal. That's pretty ignorant, and flat out stupid. You haven't once said why these toads are so important that you need to kill their predators. I feel like you're doing it merely because toads are one of your favorite animals. If I knew that snakes were important to my environment, but I didn't know why they were important, I wouldn't go kill the foxes, and cats that you'll regularly see munching on Garters..

[smy_749]

You edited your post and deleted this but you said



So you "know" they help, you just don't know how... I like snakes. I'm not going to go kill birds and cats, etc so they don't get eaten just because snakes are my favorite animal. That's pretty ignorant.

Touche Erik. Nice catch

[ErikBush97]

Touche Erik. Nice catch

I am not really into being a part of this argument, I just can't start to understand why someone would/could do that.

[Doug 351]

You edited your post and deleted this but you said



So you "know" they help, you just don't know how? I like snakes. I'm not going to go kill birds, cats, etc so they don't get eaten just because snakes are my favorite animal. That's pretty ignorant, and flat out stupid. You haven't once said why these toads are so important that you need to kill their predators. I feel like you're doing it merely because toads are one of your favorite animals. If I knew that snakes were important to my environment, but I didn't know why they were important, I wouldn't go kill the foxes, and cats that you'll regularly see munching on Garters..

I have no idea what you are talking about with the deletion thing. Funny how you can find little things like that and miss the point of a whole post.

When they are little they eat mosquitoes. When they get older they eat bugs that eat or damage crops.I'm not going to keep arguing this.

[KORBIN5895]

I believe I already did and showed so.

If you want to make me look the fool, do so with realistic solutions backed up by fact.lf you want to play the fool- carry on.

You haven't researched anything or you would know that they had a competition this past spring and paid for the biggest burm ( under 12' and iirc was about 10') ,a prize for the most ( which I think was 19 ) caught by one individual and various other cash prizes. You would also know that this month long competition netted less than 1000 burms and most of them were babies. You would also know that most of the burms in the Everglades can be genetically traced back to a breeding facility that was damaged in a hurricane. Also that a large portion of the wild burms were killed off in an unusually cold winter last year iirc.

The exact numbers may be off as I put that all down from memory.

Again run along because your ignorance is starting to embarrass even me.

[smy_749]

Kevin, I believe they only found 68 snakes. Somewhere between 15-1800 people too I think

[ErikBush97]

I have no idea what you are talking about with the deletion thing. Funny how you can find little things like that and miss the point of a whole post.
Liar alert... Do you have no idea what I'm talking about or did I find that little thing and miss the point of the post? L.O.L...
When they are little they eat mosquitoes. When they get older they eat bugs that eat or damage crops.I'm not going to keep arguing this.
How did I miss the point of the post?! Explain your exact point? Was it trying to justify killing innocent creatures, dude? But if they eat mosquitoes, then you're right... Snakes should die so your not itchy. Lol. What bugs cause so much damage to your crops to the point that you need to procect the frogs? Actually.. Don't answer that or any of my questions... I don't want to hear your pathetic attemps at justification. I also don't want issues, so I'm just going to block you and we can go our seperate ways.

[smy_749]

The idiocy in this thread is reaching maximum capacity. Doug, I suggest reading a few books on how ecosystems / food chains work. If there is an imbalance, they will sort it out. If they don't sort it out, oh well. Don't forget Doug, mosquitoes and malaria are part of nature as well. Let's not pick and choose which parts we enjoy, and act like the rest don't exist.

[Idontknow]

Liar alert... Do you have no idea what I'm talking about or did I find that little thing and miss the point of the post? L.O.L...

How did I miss the point of the post?! Explain your exact point? Was it trying to justify killing innocent creatures, dude? But if they eat mosquitoes, then you're right... Snakes should die so your not itchy. Lol. What bugs cause so much damage to your crops to the point that you need to procect the frogs? Actually.. Don't answer that or any of my questions... I don't want to hear your pathetic attemps at justification. I also don't want issues, so I'm just going to block you and we can go our seperate ways.

I appreciate all the comments however I have still not established what snake this was. Most of you say it's some kind of a water snake. People on facebook say it's a copperhead. Here is a repost of the picture. I am trying to learn more about snakes so don't just kill every one I encounter on my new property. I do have a large pond in the back and I have seen another small snake in the water since I first posted. Thanks guys. 25406

Vic

[Pareeeee]

You should really look at this. It's for Virginia but it really helps you identify the Copperhead "lookalikes".
http://www.virginiaherpetologicalsociety.com/venomous-look-a-likes/copperhead-look-a-likes/images/copperhead%20pattern.jpg

You have two species of water snake in NC from my research. The one in your photo is a Northern Watersnake, Nerodia sipedon.
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/imgs/512x768/0000_0000/1011/0200.jpeg
http://www.discoverlife.org/IM/I_TPN/0039/320/Nerodia_sipedon,I_TPN3922.jpg

They can also come in different colour phases:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/8025305984_d224117024_b.jpg

Head, quite different than the Copperhead.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5450/6896840754_5a823f91f6.jpg

Note how different a Copperhead looks, and the hourglass shaped markings on its back:
http://animal.memozee.com/Arch03/1114255139.jpg

Head - note the telltale light-coloured "mask" on the face, heat pit and vertical pupil.
http://www.fcps.edu/islandcreekes/ecology/Reptiles/Copperhead/0033.jpeg

Also here is a picture of a harmless Brown Watersnake, Nerodia taxispilota. In case you encounter one of them at your pond you can ID it as well.
http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/pics/nertax1.jpg

Watersnakes can come in many variations depending on age, the adults will be darker and markings harder to see, and young ones will be lighter with contrasting markings.

Here is a site that may help you, snakes of NC.
Snakes of North Carolina (http://www.herpsofnc.org/herps_of_NC/snakes/snakes.html)

[MDT]

Vic...hey dude, this is not a copperhead, it is a northern water snake like Pareeeee posted. The Facebook friends are wrong.
Sorry the thread spiraled into chaos, but that's fairly typical :)
The fact you have a pond on your property guarantees you will see more. Hats off to you on trying to learn what they look like. Most people just keep on chopping. Hope you stick around on the forum, who knows, maybe you'll start keeping snakes or lizards :)

[KORBIN5895]

Also notice the lack of heat pits on the dead snake.

[dbassa]

Pareeeee, that was very informative. Thanks for posting.

[Doug 351]

Vic...hey dude, this is not a copperhead, it is a northern water snake like Pareeeee posted. The Facebook friends are wrong.
Sorry the thread spiraled into chaos, but that's fairly typical :)
The fact you have a pond on your property guarantees you will see more. Hats off to you on trying to learn what they look like. Most people just keep on chopping. Hope you stick around on the forum, who knows, maybe you'll start keeping snakes or lizards :)

Can't improve on this post. Right on. Just don't pay too much attention to the infighting on the other posts. There's a whole bunch of very knowledgeable people who are more than happy to help. There are also some who like to kill time arguing. I enjoy both. I hope that in the midst of all the arguing valid information comes out that otherwise wouldn't. It has for me.

[KORBIN5895]

Can't improve on this post. Right on. Just don't pay too much attention to the infighting on the other posts. There's a whole bunch of very knowledgeable people who are more than happy to help. There are also some who like to kill time arguing. I enjoy both. I hope that in the midst of all the arguing valid information comes out that otherwise wouldn't. It has for me.

So have you research the ecological disaster in Florida yet?

[ErikBush97]

I appreciate all the comments however I have still not established what snake this was. Most of you say it's some kind of a water snake. People on farent ok say it's a copperhead. Here is a repost of the picture. I am trying to learn more about snakes so don't just kill every one I encounter on my new property. I do have a large pond in the back and I have seen another small snake in the water since I first posted. Thanks guys. 25406

Vic

I'd most definitely say that's a water snake. If you'd like to be safe, I'd buy a very long snake hook and a bucket so you can pick them up and relocate them. Water snakes aren't dangerous but you never know if you'll find a Copperhead in your yard one day and mistake it for a water snake.

[ErikBush97]

I appreciate all the comments however I have still not established what snake this was. Most of you say it's some kind of a water snake. People on facebook say it's a copperhead. Here is a repost of the picture. I am trying to learn more about snakes so don't just kill every one I encounter on my new property. I do have a large pond in the back and I have seen another small snake in the water since I first posted. Thanks guys. 25406

Vic

I would also like to take a second to thank you. Some people might say "I'll just kill them just to be safe.." But I admire you for trying to prevent more unnecessary deaths!

[ErikBush97]

So have you research the ecological disaster in Florida yet?

Lol









Ttttttttt

[Doug 351]

So have you research the ecological disaster in Florida yet?

Sorry Korbin- No

I thought that was why we kept you around. You can just tell me and save me a bunch of time. Besides, I can't believe what I research- hell I can't believe what I see with my own eyes. There is only one truth, one reality, and you have it, so why bother with anyone else's.

I'll just throw a bag of popcorn in the microwave and sit back and become enlightened by the genuis that is Korbin 5895......

Seriously-I am more concerned with local problems at this time. People are dying and I don't know when that became a joke or something to push aside- but I take it pretty seriously. And I PO'd a few here just for that reason. IDK why.........never mind.

[KORBIN5895]

Sorry Korbin- No

I thought you said you did research????
I believe I already did and showed so.

If you want to make me look the fool, do so with realistic solutions backed up by fact.lf you want to play the fool- carry on.



I thought that was why we kept you around. You can just tell me and save me a bunch of time. Besides, I can't believe what I research- hell I can't believe what I see with my own eyes. There is only one truth, one reality, and you have it, so why bother with anyone else's.

I'll just throw a bag of popcorn in the microwave and sit back and become enlightened by the genuis that is Korbin 5895......

Seriously-I am more concerned with local problems at this time. People are dying and I don't know when that became a joke or something to push aside- but I take it pretty seriously. And I PO'd a few here just for that reason. IDK why.........never mind.

Nice dance but like I said before all you seem to do is talk about things you have no information or knowledge on. If you would stop talking and start listening I think you might learn something.

So people are dying and because you take that seriously you pissed us off???? What the heck are you on? Who said anything about people dying? Doug you are delusional and living in some strange and twisted alternative reality where everything is non sequitur .

[infernalis]

I appreciate all the comments however I have still not established what snake this was. Most of you say it's some kind of a water snake. People on facebook say it's a copperhead. Here is a repost of the picture. I am trying to learn more about snakes so don't just kill every one I encounter on my new property. I do have a large pond in the back and I have seen another small snake in the water since I first posted. Thanks guys. 25406

Vic

Here is what is confusing me, The markings, the coloration indicate Nerodia Sipedon, common water snake, non venomous, but the apparent shape of the head looks wrong for a Nerodia.

[ErikBush97]

Here is what is confusing me, The markings, the coloration indicate Nerodia Sipedon, common water snake, non venomous, but the apparent shape of the head looks wrong for a Nerodia.

I kept thinking the same EXACT thing... I came to these conclusions
1. Weird camera angle
Or
2. Freaky Water snake - Copperhead hybrid LOL

Head looks normal in the dead picture but looks like it has that rounded Python/Boa type look in the second picture (which I think is due to bad quality pic + quality being reduced during uploaded + bad processing, which resulted in moved/distorted pixel near the head).

[Doug 351]

Here is what is confusing me, The markings, the coloration indicate Nerodia Sipedon, common water snake, non venomous, but the apparent shape of the head looks wrong for a Nerodia.

When I zoomed with my phone on the head I noticed something. The thing that makes it look venomous is that closest cheek. I get a definite line on both sides of it where there is a color change. The top and bottom of that section do not line up with the lines of the snake. The other cheek appears normal and if you look at it as a watersnake with a rock or something in front of it's head the snake appears normal.

After seeing it I can pick it out without zooming. I suspect some Photoshop tomfoolery going on here. As previously mentioned the colors and patterns don't match.I suspect someone is trying to bolster their case here. One thing that has bothered me is the inconsistencies in this story that go against logic.

He's trapped in his car with his family.The snake won't move.He then Googled up Copperhead as the identity before he killed it.

I was taken in too.But something about that photo bothered me. I started Googling Copperhead to see if maybe I could run across this picture online somewhere. I said it looked like a Copperhead to me in that picture. That was all based on that head.It had been awhile since I saw a Copperhead. The pictures I Googled up refreshed my memory and beared little resemblance to the picture.

Sorry-I gotta call BS on this now.

[Doug 351]

I thought you said you did research????




Nice dance but like I said before all you seem to do is talk about things you have no information or knowledge on. If you would stop talking and start listening I think you might learn something.

So people are dying and because you take that seriously you pissed us off???? What the heck are you on? Who said anything about people dying? Doug you are delusional and living in some strange and twisted alternative reality where everything is non sequitur .

I said I did research on the local animals involved.

Time to put this to bed.I meant what I said about my posting about killing non venomous snakes being for the benefit of the OP. After that is a different story. I didn't lie but I did twist the facts slightly. The first yellow bellied watersnake I killed was a case of mistaken identity. The second one, I knew what it was. At the time I had educated all my neighbors on the benefits that harmless snakes provide (well Oscar helped a lot) so it was one of those deals where they came and got me. When I got there the snake was crawling into a spot in the siding of the house. I wasn't 100% sure it was a yellow bellied watersnake but I was pretty sure. At any rate, I couldn't let it go because of that and I needed to catch it to keep the neighbors coming to me instead of killing them. Anyway I had a hold of this snake and it wasn't coming out. I had the same situation with a rat snake before and you can pull so hard on them you can feel their vertebrae separate and know if you pull any harder you'll just pull the snake in two. Waiting for them to relax (like pulling a worm out of a hole) doesn't seem to work either-so I finally let the rat snake go.I didn't want to with this snake.

So I pulled a little harder on this one than I ever would a rat snake and it finally started to give and it got easier to pull out. When it came out, half of the skin had been pealed back all the way over it's head, so I smacked it against a tree to put it out of its misery. I first thought I may have misidentified it because the head was quite large. But when I peeled the skin back I found it had a toad in it's mouth. (4 out of the 6 have had toads in their mouths)

Yes Korbin- people are dying that was what I meant to get across about the "harmless" part but I've been so busy defending pieces of my posts taken out of context that I got sidetracked.

People are dying from mosquito bites here.More locally than do from escaped snakes in all of N. America. Probably more than from venomous snakes (but that's only a guess).Anyway, that's why anything that eats mosquitoes is important. So if one of these snakes wipes out a whole breeding population of dwindling toads (very likely given the numbers) and then someone dies from a single mosquito bite that wouldn't have happened if it had been eaten by a toad...

So the point is that just because a snake isn't venomous doesn't mean it can't be a threat not only to the immediate family but the whole community. But don't worry I love snakes too and I will continue to try to relocate them but NO Fng way can I sit back and let "nature take it's course" when someone can die because of it.

[Doug 351]

Kevin, I believe they only found 68 snakes. Somewhere between 15-1800 people too I think

Yes and they were all killed anyway in the name of research. The headcount still remains in the hundreds of thousands. I don't know what Korbin thinks I'm going to research to make my statement that this is an ecological disaster untrue or even an exaggeration.

Time to pony up poser Korbin- Start posting facts to back up your your childless attacks or shut the F up. You are the one posting about things you know nothing about just to start arguments.

[Pareeeee]

I still think it's a Northern Watersnake, maybe it's just flattening its head in the photo - I've had garters do it as a threat posture and it makes their head look super wide. The photo is so small it's hard to go by anything but the markings themselves.

Take a look at this Northern Watersnake photo I found, it has a fairly wide head.
http://snakebuddies.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/northern-water-snake.jpg?w=640&h=449

Funny how the dead snake looks different from the live photo though. To me anyway.

[KORBIN5895]

Yes and they were all killed anyway in the name of research. The headcount still remains in the hundreds of thousands. I don't know what Korbin thinks I'm going to research to make my statement that this is an ecological disaster untrue or even an exaggeration.

Time to pony up poser Korbin- Start posting facts to back up your your childless attacks or shut the F up. You are the one posting about things you know nothing about just to start arguments.

Why don't you take a few minutes and reread the thread that way you can try and get your stories straight.

You claimed to have done research on the burm "problem" in Florida. Don't twist it now and claim you meant you did research on mosquitos because you plainly said "10+ snake" and then went on about trying to pin one down.

You have gotten really pathetic and I will gladly point out all of your inconsistencies and lies. That's just how I roll.

Also why should I spoon feed you information that you are too lazy or too dense to look up yourself? Call me a poser all you want but I'm not like you. I actually know what I'm talking about and I educate myself before I start trying to participate in discussions way out of my league.

[franks]

Ok everyone thanks for making me feel bad. You are snake lovers and experts and I am a plumber. I get out of the car and I am about to get my 2 kids out ( 1 and 3) and I almost step on it. It wont move, I cant move the car, the wife is freaking out because the kids play outside all day and we do our google research and it appears to be a copperhead. This is the first time I killed an animal. I have been stung by jelly fish, sting ray, messed up by carolina yellow jackets, more then 1 spyder bite... I was not gonna risk my kids this time. Sorry guys, and if the snake was harmless I apologize to the forum. Here is a better picture:


No need to apologize, in your situation I would do the same thing. If I did not know anything about snakes, and thought there was a poisonous snake on my property near my kids I would have killed it. The fact that you posted and wanted to learn what it was shows that you at least care enough.

[franks]

So you get out of your car, see a snake, everyone's freaking out for their safety, and you're worried about your kids, so You stop and take a picture and then kill it? If there's one, there's 100 more. You could have just moved it... Or even left it alone. Teach your kids to stay away if you're scared. Snakes aren't like a lot of other animals. They will not come after you or your family like some wolves, etc. Still can't really tell from the picture. Looks like a completely different snake than the one in the first picture, IMO.

Edited: Because I reacted harshly towards you for your stupid comment, but didn not see that you apologized a few posts later.

[Doug 351]

I still think it's a Northern Watersnake, maybe it's just flattening its head in the photo - I've had garters do it as a threat posture and it makes their head look super wide. The photo is so small it's hard to go by anything but the markings themselves.

Take a look at this Northern Watersnake photo I found, it has a fairly wide head.
http://snakebuddies.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/northern-water-snake.jpg?w=640&h=449

Funny how the dead snake looks different from the live photo though. To me anyway.

I thought the same thing at first (head flattening). The short time I had my Texas garter showed me how well they can do this. But as I said- look at the other side-haven't seen one yet that can do it on just one side. Now if this was Texas, I'd just say he had a "chaw of baccy"- but 2 and 2 isn't quite making 4 for me. The picture I'm viewing is very small as well but my phone allows me to zoom in on a small area and enlarge it to the point of pixelazation. And that snake sure changed color and patterns a lot just from dying. I should know I'm such a big snake killer.:rolleyes:

[Terranaut]

Wow....same guys....same stuff
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/users/bukyze/Beating%20a%20dead%20horse.gif

[ErikBush97]

[QUOTE=Doug 351;8681 after seeing it I can pick it out without zooming. I suspect some Photoshop tomfoolery going on here. As previously mentioned the colors and patterns don't match.I suspect someone is trying to bolster their case here.

Sorry-I gotta call BS on this now.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha!!! I stopped reading here! I hope you were joking. Or you're completely mental...

[Doug 351]

Why don't you take a few minutes and reread the thread that way you can try and get your stories straight.

OoooooKay-
Let's start with #10-Starbuck- "Treat everything like an opportunity to educate, and it's not your issue whether the lesson is received or not". Excellent advice and something you'll never get.

Post#18-smy749- I won't quote here but the snakes themselves are our best allies in changing attitudes towards them. The absolute worst way is to be abusive and arguemental-but then, you don't want to change anything, just argue.

Post#21 Hannibalcanible-"I don't care that you killed the snake-it was on your property and you killed it so it would not hurt anyone. If it were me, I would have done something else, but it's not like you killed a person or someone's dog/cat or anything. " - I might have gotten more understanding if I had.

#22 Erikbush97- raised a flag-" so you stop and take a picture. ..."

AHHHH- and #26-Korbin 5894- "I will admit I have killed many in my time and I like them. I am a very practical person and the reasons I have done what I have done are good enough for me. " Right-chkn s#! T- but not good enough to share.

#44-Doug351- "I know are definitely helpful. ..."- Erikbush97-I still have no idea what deletion thing you were talking about is-but here it is and I stand behind it.

#49 and 50 bunch of crap after this. ......

#56 Doug351-"I see a whole lot of judgment without any knowledge of the problem at hand just because a snake was killed. " still think so.

#61 Korbin 5895-"As I said before I don't care all that much you are killing snakes...." doesn't surprise me- you probably kill a lot more for a lot less-" Mr.Practical...."

#62 Doug351-"care to elaborate? " - no answer-no surprise. .....

#66 Korbin5895 "maybe you should do some research" -right back at you -especially West Nile and the Dallas/Ft.Worth area- oh sorry, I forgot, you don't comment on anything you don't know EVERYTHING about- grow up or shut up.

End of rant.

[MDT]

Wow....same guys....same stuff
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/users/bukyze/Beating%20a%20dead%20horse.gif

Lololololol!!! It ain't gettin' any deader!

[KORBIN5895]

OoooooKay-
Let's start with #10-Starbuck- "Treat everything like an opportunity to educate, and it's not your issue whether the lesson is received or not". Excellent advice and something you'll never get.

Post#18-smy749- I won't quote here but the snakes themselves are our best allies in changing attitudes towards them. The absolute worst way is to be abusive and arguemental-but then, you don't want to change anything, just argue.

Post#21 Hannibalcanible-"I don't care that you killed the snake-it was on your property and you killed it so it would not hurt anyone. If it were me, I would have done something else, but it's not like you killed a person or someone's dog/cat or anything. " - I might have gotten more understanding if I had.

#22 Erikbush97- raised a flag-" so you stop and take a picture. ..."

AHHHH- and #26-Korbin 5894- "I will admit I have killed many in my time and I like them. I am a very practical person and the reasons I have done what I have done are good enough for me. " Right-chkn s#! T- but not good enough to share.

#44-Doug351- "I know are definitely helpful. ..."- Erikbush97-I still have no idea what deletion thing you were talking about is-but here it is and I stand behind it.

#49 and 50 bunch of crap after this. ......

#56 Doug351-"I see a whole lot of judgment without any knowledge of the problem at hand just because a snake was killed. " still think so.

#61 Korbin 5895-"As I said before I don't care all that much you are killing snakes...." doesn't surprise me- you probably kill a lot more for a lot less-" Mr.Practical...."

#62 Doug351-"care to elaborate? " - no answer-no surprise. .....

#66 Korbin5895 "maybe you should do some research" -right back at you -especially West Nile and the Dallas/Ft.Worth area- oh sorry, I forgot, you don't comment on anything you don't know EVERYTHING about- grow up or shut up.

End of rant.
I'm not sure why you feel west Nile has anything to do with the fact that you consistently run around talking about things that you don't know about and don't even bother to look anything up try and learn.

I dis taxidermy and I used to kill water moccasins and and copperheads for their skin. I made leather belts and hat bands out of them .

I think you forgot the post where smy said your idiocy has hit a maxim in this thread.

[DeesBalls]

Originally Posted by smy_749 View Post
The reality is, if you own a home, have children and no knowledge of snakes/ a fear of them, I can't blame you for smashing it with a shovel because you thought it was a danger to your family. At least they came here afterwords to learn and perhaps avoid the mistake of killing a harmless species next time....as opposed to not caring and killing them every time regardless

excactly what i was thinking, great point! glad people see the "other"side to people and not just jump right on to the "bad" side of thinking of people....

sorry if that doesnt make scene, i am on medication :P

[ErikBush97]

Doug... You aren't making any valid points, and I don't even think you fully understand the argument. Can we all just stop arguing now??? IDK asked his question, it got answered... How bout you and Korbin start a thread to continue this outrageous argument on or do it in a PM. Lol..
Korbin... You're fight someone as stubborn and as intelligent as a brick wall... I expect better from you lol also... YOU'RE BLOWING MY PHONE UP!

[Terranaut]

Lololololol!!! It ain't gettin' any deader!

It's like the last few pages are just copies of the page before it.
Blah blah blah ect

[KORBIN5895]

It does serve a purpose. I think I'm going to change my signature to "stupid people don't know there stupid".

[marvelfreak]

I swear every time i read new post by Doug in this thread i loss a IQ point.

[Terranaut]

It does serve a purpose. I think I'm going to change my signature to "stupid people don't know there stupid".

Or even stupid people don't know they're stupid ;)


Kinda shot yourself in the foot there Kevin. I also wasn't meaning you were the one here suffering verbal diarrhea :)

[Doug 351]

Doug... You aren't making any valid points, and I don't even think you fully understand the argument. Can we all just stop arguing now??? IDK asked his question, it got answered... How bout you and Korbin start a thread to continue this outrageous argument on or do it in a PM. Lol..
Korbin... You're fight someone as stubborn and as intelligent as a brick wall... I expect better from you lol also... YOU'RE BLOWING MY PHONE UP!

Yep-
I thought the same thing long ago. I just don't know what to call it. Should it be calling all idiots or when a hard head meets an immovable object? I also should have walked away a long time ago.

MTD- that was awesome!

Korbin- I have actually been researching the Florida problem lately and my whole point was that sometimes "harmless" snakes are killed in the intrest of ecology. I've learned a lot more but it hasn't really changed my point.
Thank you for finally answering the question. I've done taxidermy myself but never killed to do it. It validates my point though that the greatest motivation for killing animals is always going to be money. The bounty solution is actually being considered, but tabled at the moment for fear of other problems that may arise. The freeze did in fact knock the numbers down but we're still talking 5-10, 000 animals. Too bad they don't have a solution at hand because this would be the time to launch it.

[Hannibalcanibal]

I swear every time i read new post by Doug in this thread i loss a IQ point.

^this.

Can we all just drop this now? no need to have a gazillion post long argument on something that some of us will never agree on?

[KORBIN5895]

Or even stupid people don't know they're stupid ;)


Kinda shot yourself in the foot there Kevin. I also wasn't meaning you were the one here suffering verbal diarrhea :)

Lol. I'm blaming auto correct.

@Doug

I didn't even bother reading past the first line because everything you have said about the ecological "disaster" proves that statement is false.

[ErikBush97]

Yep-
I thought the same thing long ago. I just don't know what to call it. Should it be calling all idiots or when a hard head meets an immovable object? I also should have walked away a long time ago.

MTD- that was awesome!

Korbin- I have actually been researching the Florida problem lately and my whole point was that sometimes "harmless" snakes are killed in the intrest of ecology. I've learned a lot more but it hasn't really changed my point.
Thank you for finally answering the question. I've done taxidermy myself but never killed to do it. It validates my point though that the greatest motivation for killing animals is always going to be money. The bounty solution is actually being considered, but tabled at the moment for fear of other problems that may arise. The freeze did in fact knock the numbers down but we're still talking 5-10, 000 animals. Too bad they don't have a solution at hand because this would be the time to launch it.
Even if you make a great point and "win" the argument you're still an idiot for arguing. What do you gain in an online argument? Nothing... You can loose credibility and respect pretty quickly... I was stupid, and thought I'd do the same thing a while ago on the same forum. You don't gain anything either way, and it feels better to be friends or at least be on good terms with these people. Because whether or not you like it, you're going to eventually have an important question and if you sit here acting like an immature Neanderthal, people won't want to help you when the time comes..... I didn't read the majority of this reply because I saw that it was just you keeping it going. Like it or not; what I just told you is true, and you're going to have a better time if you just drop it.

[ErikBush97]

^this.

Can we all just drop this now? no need to have a gazillion post long argument on something that some of us will never agree on?

^That!





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[marvelfreak]

This is what this thread remind me of.


http://www.goodlightscraps.com/content/funny-animation/funny-animation-4.gif

[KORBIN5895]

This is what this thread remind me of.


http://www.goodlightscraps.com/content/funny-animation/funny-animation-4.gif

You during spring break?

[Doug 351]

Thanks guys-points taken.Like a junkie I knew better and just couldn't help myself. The one question I have is how/where you give kudos for a helpful post. Most forums have that I just haven't run across it here.

[Doug 351]

BTW-Marvelfreak,

Did my ex-wife give you permission to post her pic?

[Mikoh4792]

BTW-Marvelfreak,

Did my ex-wife give you permission to post her pic?

That's an elephant bro... And by bro I mean never my bro.


























Lol just kidding

[smy_749]

Hahahahahahahaaha

Thanks for the laugh before bed kevin