Feeding by weight instead of appropriate sized meals. More in depth feeding schedule.

[ReticMan123]

So of i feed 1:3 every 2 weeks then a medium rat (150 grams) would be good.


Then when onto large rats and jumbo 1/4 every 2 week
(1000 grams
Snake gets a 250 g
Large rat very 2 weeks



Then rabbits is 1/5 very 2 weeks. Once she reaches about 7 ft or has been on rabbits for at least 6 months then ill feed 1/7 every 2 weeks. For example a 10 pound boa would get about a 3 pound rabbit a month. Or 1.5 every 2 weeks.


I

Theben finally after the boa is around 4 years old and over 8 to 9 ft for a female it's 10
Percent every 2 weeks. What do you all thnk about that detailed schedule? I have done a lot of research bout it. Would his be good. Not over or under feeding? I just like the know the math and not just judge by size. I'm interested to see of anyone else feeds specifically by weight like this. From what I have read and been experienced wot large snakes in the past this seems to leave toy with health well
Grown and good weight snake


Thnks for reading;),

Mike

[SKYlord]

Well I have a friend on her that has a female boa around 15 pounds and he only feeds her a 3¾ pound rabbit and she doesn't even start to hunt for 5-6 weeks. I think the 3 three pound rabbit once a months is way too much for a ten pound boa.

[Ddub]

Mike could you post pics of what the snakes look like after the meals specified? I don't weigh my feeders so it'd be interesting to see what typo of lump that's leaving.

[SKYlord]

Mike could you post pics of what the snakes look like after the meals specified? I don't weigh my feeders so it'd be interesting to see what typo of lump that's leaving.

I'm pretty sure it is all speculation and not actually in practice as of now.

[lady_bug87]

Mike could you post pics of what the snakes look like after the meals specified? I don't weigh my feeders so it'd be interesting to see what typo of lump that's leaving.

Seriously buy scale it will change your life.

As for the rest of it, it sounds good. My boa has some digestive issues and so I'm feeding her 10% every 10 days to see if it helps

[Aaron_S]

I like your detailed feeding regime.

I currently feed the same way with all my snakes. I use a 10 - 15% (give or take a percent per meal) per meal, fed every 5 - 7 days depending on sex and age. (Males during breeding season are fed every 14 on average)

For yours, if it's a true red tail, and it looks like it may be, then I'd go with smaller meals. They tend to have a more sensitive stomach from my experience and will regurge more frequently than their BCI counterpart. I'd go with 10% even as a baby but fed every 7 days.

[EL Ziggy]

Is there an appropriate prey weight to snake weight ratio/formula to follow? I have snakes that weigh 30g and 90g each. They're just juveniles and I just feed them appropriately sized mice. The hoppers/weanlings they eat are usually 7-12g.

[SSSSnakes]

Only in captivity do we try to put them on a schedule with what we consider the appropriate size. In the wild they eat what ever size the come across as often as they find it and want it. We baby our reptile in captivity. They are opportunistic eaters in the wild, as far as how often they eat and the size of prey they eat. Sometimes my snakes get larger meals and other times smaller meals. They may get fed once a week or every two weeks, or every few days. My snakes are healthy and never over weight.

[EL Ziggy]

Only in captivity do we try to put them on a schedule with what we consider the appropriate size. In the wild they eat what ever size the come across as often as they find it and want it. We baby our reptile in captivity. They are opportunistic eaters in the wild, as far as how often they eat and the size of prey they eat. Sometimes my snakes get larger meals and other times smaller meals. They may get fed once a week or every two weeks, or every few days. My snakes are healthy and never over weight.

I'm new to keeping snakes but I would tend to agree with this. They eat what they can, when they can, in the wild so why would it be different in captivity?

[Aaron_S]

Only in captivity do we try to put them on a schedule with what we consider the appropriate size. In the wild they eat what ever size the come across as often as they find it and want it. We baby our reptile in captivity. They are opportunistic eaters in the wild, as far as how often they eat and the size of prey they eat. Sometimes my snakes get larger meals and other times smaller meals. They may get fed once a week or every two weeks, or every few days. My snakes are healthy and never over weight.

I dislike this line of thinking and here's why.

In the wild they are opportunistic because they don't know when they'll eat next so they must eat when they can, whatever they can.

In captivity we have the option to give them a proper diet as best we can. They don't need to worry about their next meal as it will always come so we need to actually be more proactive in ensuring our snakes are fed properly.

The reason I feed my snakes the way I do is partly because I breed them. I find that my meal size seems to be a good fit from all the data I've collected from my collection.

The data I found is that the smaller meal size kept them less lethargic throughout the week, less time spent lazing on the hot side as well as they retained the most from these meals. They expelled less and gained the most weight from each meal (I weighed them before a meal. Again after the poop)

So in essence I've noticed an overall healthier animal.

I know big meals CAN be fed just like we CAN eat crappy fast food or really large meals at one sitting but we don't feel well after and it doesn't make it healthy just because we CAN do it.

[Aaron_S]

I'm new to keeping snakes but I would tend to agree with this. They eat what they can, when they can, in the wild so why would it be different in captivity?

Because the same reason we don't allow parasites, adverse conditions or predators in their captive environment.

It doesn't NEED to be exact.

[EL Ziggy]

Because the same reason we don't allow parasites, adverse conditions or predators in their captive environment.

It doesn't NEED to be exact.
Aaron- I understand that we're able to give them healthy food to eat, fresh water to drink, and comfortable living conditions free of predators. They're still wild animals however and I believe we shouldn't rigidly regulate all their conditions (i.e. feeding every 7 days on Thursdays and always the same meals or meal sizes). I don't ever want to overfeed or underfeed my animals. I just want to allow them to experience as much of their natural behavior and environment as possible while still giving them the advantages of captivity.

[Aaron_S]

Aaron- I understand that we're able to give them healthy food to eat, fresh water to drink, and comfortable living conditions free of predators. They're still wild animals however and I believe we shouldn't rigidly regulate all their conditions (i.e. feeding every 7 days on Thursdays and always the same meals or meal sizes). I don't ever want to overfeed or underfeed my animals. I just want to allow them to experience as much of their natural behavior and environment as possible while still giving them the advantages of captivity.

First of all you need to look up the definitions of the words "domestic" and "domestication" before you can call them "wild".

They do not behave as our more common domestic creatures but it doesn't make them "wild".

Secondly, I know what you're getting that but where do we draw that line of "experience natural behaviour" and "advantages of captivity"? I would say it's different for each keeper as I personally believe there's nothing "natural" we can give them. They won't act like it at all because they have no reason to and are adapted to their conditions for the most part.

Third, as I've stated just because they can do something doesn't mean it's in their best interest. It's putting our own selfish morals ahead of the animals well being because we feel "good" about ourselves if we let them "experience nature" in some ways.

I know this is a hyperbolic example but if you want to really experience them in a natural set up. Set up a room, have various species, a "sun" and different heat and cool spots. Even set it up to mimic rain and don't forget to introduce predators! To really see them behave naturally.

[SSSSnakes]

In the last 30 years of keeping snakes, I've had healthy long lived snakes. As I have said before, there are many ways of doing something with the same results. My way or your way is not always wrong or right, as long as the results are the same. Healthy snakes.

This is why many people are afraid to post their opinions, because if it does not agree with the popular opinion it can start an argument. To many people have the attitude, that if it is not the way they do it, it is wrong.

[Aaron_S]

In the last 30 years of keeping snakes, I've had healthy long lived snakes. As I have said before, there are many ways of doing something with the same results. My way or your way is not always wrong or right, as long as the results are the same. Healthy snakes.

This is why many people are afraid to post their opinions, because if it does not agree with the popular opinion it can start an argument. To many people have the attitude, that if it is not the way they do it, it is wrong.

Where's the argument? I simply said I don't like the reasoning behind your decision nor did I say it was wrong. Point out the exact words 'you're wrong' in my post. You're being silly because someone showed another view with information and facts.

I backed my statements up with data with my own collection (which isn't small) over a period of a few years. This is MY data and I've passed this information on to my customers as well as close friends. Some of which belong to this forum and if they wish will attest to my methods working among various species.

I simply made my case so that anyone reading doesn't have to ask why and they have the information already present from me.

[EL Ziggy]

[QUOTE=SSSSnakes;865437] "There are many ways of doing something with the same results. My way or your way is not always wrong or right, as long as the results are the same. Healthy snakes.

Once again, I agree with you Jerry. There is more than one way to do most things. The ultimate goal remains to raise happy/healthy snakes. As far as differing opinions, my motto is to each his own and different strokes for different folks. Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and experiences.

[EL Ziggy]

First of all you need to look up the definitions of the words "domestic" and "domestication" before you can call them "wild".

They do not behave as our more common domestic creatures but it doesn't make them "wild".

Secondly, I know what you're getting that but where do we draw that line of "experience natural behaviour" and "advantages of captivity"? I would say it's different for each keeper as I personally believe there's nothing "natural" we can give them. They won't act like it at all because they have no reason to and are adapted to their conditions for the most part.

Third, as I've stated just because they can do something doesn't mean it's in their best interest. It's putting our own selfish morals ahead of the animals well being because we feel "good" about ourselves if we let them "experience nature" in some ways.

I know this is a hyperbolic example but if you want to really experience them in a natural set up. Set up a room, have various species, a "sun" and different heat and cool spots. Even set it up to mimic rain and don't forget to introduce predators! To really see them behave naturally.

Aaron, I don't think you understood my point and I don't really understand yours but it's neither here nor there. Thanks for the information.

[SSSSnakes]

Where's the argument? I simply said I don't like the reasoning behind your decision nor did I say it was wrong. Point out the exact words 'you're wrong' in my post. You're being silly because someone showed another view with information and facts.

I backed my statements up with data with my own collection (which isn't small) over a period of a few years. This is MY data and I've passed this information on to my customers as well as close friends. Some of which belong to this forum and if they wish will attest to my methods working among various species.

I simply made my case so that anyone reading doesn't have to ask why and they have the information already present from me.

I never directed this post to you. The statement was in general.

[lady_bug87]

I happen to use Aaron's method for feeding and I have seen more consistent growth and have noticed a better feed response

[Aaron_S]

Aaron, I don't think you understood my point and I don't really understand yours but it's neither here nor there. Thanks for the information.

I have two points.

1. These are domestic animals by definition so why treat them exactly like wild animals as you put it?

2. That if we take away the definition of domestic and wild that each keeper individually has a moral compass that directs them to give them as "natural" a life as possible. It's because it helps them not feel bad about shoving reptiles into enclosures and keeping them in captivity. They feel if they see a "proper" natural environment and feed it like the wild counterparts that the snake will be happier. This varies depending on keeper.

[SSSSnakes]

I happen to use Aaron's method for feeding and I have seen more consistent growth and have noticed a better feed response

That is great and I'm glad it works for you. But have you tried any other methods for a lengthy period of time to get other results? I have used a similar method as Aaron's when I first started out, but found other methods that worked better for me. What ever works best for you.

[Aaron_S]

I never directed this post to you. The statement was in general.

It may have been a general statement but it came after my response to you so it's a simple leap of faith to presume you're saying I'm making an argument because you don't "beat your drum to popular choice" and that I'm saying it's my way or no way. It may come up in other threads but at this point in time it's directed towards me.

As I said it's not an argument though. I try to give as much information to other keepers as possible and why I do things. I backed up my claims and I didn't even ask for yours. I simply said from the records of data I've done here is my information.

Never once did I say you or anyone had to use it.

[SSSSnakes]

It may have been a general statement but it came after my response to you so it's a simple leap of faith to presume you're saying I'm making an argument because you don't "beat your drum to popular choice" and that I'm saying it's my way or no way. It may come up in other threads but at this point in time it's directed towards me.

As I said it's not an argument though. I try to give as much information to other keepers as possible and why I do things. I backed up my claims and I didn't even ask for yours. I simply said from the records of data I've done here is my information.

Never once did I say you or anyone had to use it.

You assumed wrong. If I meant to direct the statement to you,, I would have quoted you.

[Aaron_S]

You assumed wrong. If I meant to direct the statement to you,, I would have quoted you.

So who else in this thread was apparently "arguing"?

Why would you make a general statement like that if there was no "argument" to direct it towards?

[lady_bug87]

That is great and I'm glad it works for you. But have you tried any other methods for a lengthy period of time to get other results? I have used a similar method as Aaron's when I first started out, but found other methods that worked better for me. What ever works best for you.

Yes I have.
For a while I was feeding large meals (~30%) on a staggered schedule. The larger the meal the longer I waited.

They were still healthy but less active.

[SSSSnakes]

So who else in this thread was apparently "arguing"?

Why would you make a general statement like that if there was no "argument" to direct it towards?

Who said I was talking only about this thread? Stop assuming.

[SSSSnakes]

Yes I have.
For a while I was feeding large meals (~30%) on a staggered schedule. The larger the meal the longer I waited.

They were still healthy but less active.

In my statement i never said only feeding larger items, I said many different size prey items. Sometimes smaller prey items than normal and other times larger prey items.

[lady_bug87]

I get what you're saying. I used to feed what i had on hand I just used to buy big.

Once I changed methods feeding by weight is my preference

[SSSSnakes]

I get what you're saying. I used to feed what i had on hand I just used to buy big.

Once I changed methods feeding by weight is my preference

Exactly, and I am glad it is working for you.

[SKYlord]

I call bull on Aarons. You didn't back you statements up anymore than Jerry did. You both are using your personal experience from your personal collections. Stop being so arrogant.

[Mikoh4792]

I call bull on Aarons. You didn't back you statements up anymore than Jerry did. You both are using your personal experience from your personal collections. Stop being so arrogant.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/blown-away.gif

[ReticMan123]

There's no reason to argue. It's just a specific feeding regimen discussion. Yes she is a suriname. And ziggy if you have baby boas the 90g one should get a hope around 15 g maybe a small mouse a week. And what is it that's only 40g that would need like a fuzzy a week. Like I said. A 10 pounds snake would not eat at 3 pound rabbit every 2 weeks. That's 1/3 their weight. Once on rabbits it should be like 1/5 to 1/7 their weight every 2 weeks. Pretty much newborn to 1.5years 1/3 and 18 months til rabbits or at least around half grown 5" for females bcc. 4 for males. They should get 1/5. And adjust accordingly. All on a 2 week basis. And if you feed every month then adjust it. Adult snakes fully grown should get about 10% every 2 weeks. So of you have an adult 20 pound boa. A 4 pound rabbit a monh would be great. Or 2 pound every 2 weeks. Get it? Lol I know it seems complicated but I have a scale and it works for me. I have read a lot about snakes in captivity in general require about twice their body weight a year. Whic is about 10 percent every 2 weeks. Or a little less. So you adjust as they grow and get older. But any large snake one rabbits should be bumped to at most 20 percent every 2 weeks. So if your late snake starts rabbits at 10 pounds and its a boa and say 2 years old. Then 2 pounder every 2 weeks would be good. Then once it's about 7 to 8" you would bump to 1/7 every 2 weeks. Then around 9 ft bump to 10 percent. Again all talking about a female suriname. You would have to adjust it depending on the species of snake and broth rate sex and maximum size.

[ReticMan123]

Oh forgot to answer a question. I don't have a pic of her with a meal in her. But she's about 300 grams. I'm weighing her next week. Me she gets small rats every 2 weeks about 100 grams and for example I fed her Thursday the lump was gone sudsy and all the way Monday. So it's a decent lump but not HUGE or anything. She swallows with ease and fast

[Aaron_S]

I call bull on Aarons. You didn't back you statements up anymore than Jerry did. You both are using your personal experience from your personal collections. Stop being so arrogant.

LOL.

So funny.

Apparently the records I kept of their actual weights before eating, after eating and then after pooping aren't backing anything up? This isn't done with 2 or 3 animals. It was done a larger scale than that. Dozens.

Sure it's my own collection as I've stated but it's shown over a number of animals.

I didn't just look at my snakes and say "Hey. They are doing better this way."

I took into account noticed behaviours and feed responses too.

I never said it's the end all be all of feeding snakes but that with my personal numbers it's a good way to go about it for any keeper looking for more info than just simply "this is the way".

All I was trying to offer up there Tiger.

[EL Ziggy]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/blown-away.gif

LMAO. Too funny.

[SKYlord]

LOL.

So funny.

Apparently the records I kept of their actual weights before eating, after eating and then after pooping aren't backing anything up? This isn't done with 2 or 3 animals. It was done a larger scale than that. Dozens.

Sure it's my own collection as I've stated but it's shown over a number of animals.

I didn't just look at my snakes and say "Hey. They are doing better this way."

I took into account noticed behaviours and feed responses too.

I never said it's the end all be all of feeding snakes but that with my personal numbers it's a good way to go about it for any keeper looking for more info than just simply "this is the way".

All I was trying to offer up there Tiger.

No all of your supposed "records" don't back anything up. It's all talk until you post up proof.

I would also like to point out the other guy was using his large collection ( check out the link) and thirty years in the hobby ( longer than you have been alive) to back up his claim but you blatantly said:

. I backed up my claims and I didn't even ask for yours..

Like I said, complete bull and arrogance. So pony up or settle down there pup.

[Hannibalcanibal]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/blown-away.gif

Stop i'm laughing so hard i'm gonna die! :D

[Hannibalcanibal]

No all of your supposed "records" don't back anything up. It's all talk until you post up proof.

I would also like to point out the other guy was using his large collection ( check out the link) and thirty years in the hobby ( longer than you have been alive) to back up his claim but you blatantly said:



Like I said, complete bull and arrogance. So pony up or settle down there pup.

1. Aaron has a lot of experience, even though he might not have a million-gazillion years of it.. So calling it bull is a little unfounded, don't you think?

2. He's not being arrogant.. He's just discussing how to feed snakes. Nothing wrong with communicating ideas and theories, if nobody did that we would still be stuck in the stone age.

[Mikoh4792]

2. He's not being arrogant.. He's just discussing how to feed snakes. Nothing wrong with communicating ideas and theories, if nobody did that we would still be stuck in the stone age.

+1 I agree

[SKYlord]

1. Aaron has a lot of experience, even though he might not have a million-gazillion years of it.. So calling it bull is a little unfounded, don't you think?

2. He's not being arrogant.. He's just discussing how to feed snakes. Nothing wrong with communicating ideas and theories, if nobody did that we would still be stuck in the stone age.

Aren't you the one that said a full grown boa couldn't crush a babies wind pipe? Oh, yeah you are! Why would I care for your opinion?

Aaron was extremely arrogant when he claimed to have backed up his stance while saying Jerry did not. Aaron did the same exact thing but thought that since he is the one that said it it was substantiated. He postures a lot and is very pretentious. The bull is about h saying he backed up his claim. Again bull. All he did was type some words and call it proof.

[Hannibalcanibal]

Aren't you the one that said a full grown boa couldn't crush a babies wind pipe? Oh, yeah you are! Why would I care for your opinion?

Aaron was extremely arrogant when he claimed to have backed up his stance while saying Jerry did not. Aaron did the same exact thing but thought that since he is the one that said it it was substantiated. He postures a lot and is very pretentious. The bull is about h saying he backed up his claim. Again bull. All he did was type some words and call it proof.

Jeez... You don't understand the concept of "Not literal, used as an analogy", do you? Also, what does that have to do with this thread?

Anyways... just because someone doesn't suck up like a little puppy doggie does not mean that they are being arrogant.

I'm not going to pick a side in the debate here, because frankly i could not be bothered with it, except to say that calling people arrogant for no reason is a bit of a (bleep) move.

Saying people's opinions, experiences, and methods are "bull" is not a good way to do things. You could have merely said "hey, I have to disagree here, i've been doing this for x number of years with x numbers of snakes kept in x way and have not noticed a difference from when i kept them whatever other way", instead you decided to call people's methods and opinions bull, which basically means worthless, not worth mentioning, whatever.

[SKYlord]

Jeez... You don't understand the concept of "Not literal, used as an analogy", do you? Also, what does that have to do with this thread?

Anyways... just because someone doesn't suck up like a little puppy doggie does not mean that they are being arrogant.

I'm not going to pick a side in the debate here, because frankly i could not be bothered with it, except to say that calling people arrogant for no reason is a bit of a (bleep) move.

Saying people's opinions, experiences, and methods are "bull" is not a good way to do things. You could have merely said "hey, I have to disagree here, i've been doing this for x number of years with x numbers of snakes kept in x way and have not noticed a difference from when i kept them whatever other way", instead you decided to call people's methods and opinions bull, which basically means worthless, not worth mentioning, whatever.

His options and methods aren't worth anything if he doesn't back it up. Isn't he the one always asking for proof?

How the heck can you call the statement you made an analogy?

[Hannibalcanibal]

His options and methods aren't worth anything if he doesn't back it up. Isn't he the one always asking for proof?

How the heck can you call the statement you made an analogy?

Jeez... It was an analogy, metaphor, whatever. I did not go into depth about it, or try to explain it, because it was not literal. As soon as i saw people questioning me about it i explained and we all went back to discussing the relevant topic at hand.

And with all due respect, nobody here is really backing anything up other than their own experiences and observations, making one person's argument as good as the next.

In the end... Calling people's observations and methods "bull" and calling the people themselves "arrogant" is not a good way to go about talking on a forum when you have nothing good to add to the discussion.

[SKYlord]

Jeez... It was an analogy, metaphor, whatever. I did not go into depth about it, or try to explain it, because it was not literal. As soon as i saw people questioning me about it i explained and we all went back to discussing the relevant topic at hand.

And with all due respect, nobody here is really backing anything up other than their own experiences and observations, making one person's argument as good as the next.

In the end... Calling people's observations and methods "bull" and calling the people themselves "arrogant" is not a good way to go about talking on a forum when you have nothing good to add to the discussion.

I'm calling him out on his pretentiousness which is totally acceptable. Do you know why? Because I proved he was being arrogant and pretentious by what he himself said in this thread.

Now thank you for your concern for manners but you are wasting your time but unfortunately I don't find you an adequate teacher. I really don't like people that can't face up to their own mistakes.

[red ink]

Feed 10-15% of the specimens body weight when hunger behaviour is displayed... let the snake tell you when it's hungry not feed when it's time for a feed is what I've always followed.

The schedule fluctuates with the seasons in the warm months that can be a s frequent as once a week and up two two months intervals in winter. It depends on their activity level and ambient temps.

*I only keep australian pythons though so I don't know if it makes a difference with Boas or other pythons.

[Mikoh4792]

Because I proved he was being arrogant and pretentious by what he himself said in this thread.

You can not prove that someone is pretentious or arrogant, because those adjectives are just opinions. You may think he is pretentious and arrogant, others may not. There is nothing to be proved.

Not trying to get into an argument, but wanted to point that ^ out.

[SKYlord]

Lol. Just look up those definitions and you will see where the truth lies.

[Mikoh4792]

Lol. Just look up those definitions and you will see where the truth lies.

Again, those are opinions. The truth lies not with you! =]

[Terranaut]

I knew this thread would go all to hell when I read the first post.
May I add some perspective?
I love the different feeding methods but everyone who gave their opinions keep different kinds of snakes. Aaron has royals, the op is talking bcc, Jerry has a variety and so on. Only one person mentioned they keep a specific kind and how their experience may be dependant on that. You are all arguing for nothing, even arguing about arguing.
Great we have a few different methods shown. Why can't we share why we don't like that idea or why we do? Does it always have to be like this? Let's discuss it and not argue about why your method is better based on your collection size or years of experience. If all you got is "my 2 kings do great this way" , then post it. If you have 500 snakes and have 5yrs of measured data before and after a change in technique, post that. There should be no shame is tell everyone why you do what you do. Any keeper worth a crap would love to hear other newer ideas. If you think that's a bad idea, don't do it that way. Telm us why your idea is better.

I have a varried collection of boas , carpets, balls , pits and kings. They all are fed based on when I think they are displaying "hunting". I can see it takes longer when larger prey items are used. This woks great for me. My snakes are very active and none are overweight. I also mix up prey size a little bit. Nothing extreme but up or down a size.

[SSSSnakes]

I knew this thread would go all to hell when I read the first post.
May I add some perspective?
I love the different feeding methods but everyone who gave their opinions keep different kinds of snakes. Aaron has royals, the op is talking bcc, Jerry has a variety and so on. Only one person mentioned they keep a specific kind and how their experience may be dependant on that. You are all arguing for nothing, even arguing about arguing.
Great we have a few different methods shown. Why can't we share why we don't like that idea or why we do? Does it always have to be like this? Let's discuss it and not argue about why your method is better based on your collection size or years of experience. If all you got is "my 2 kings do great this way" , then post it. If you have 500 snakes and have 5yrs of measured data before and after a change in technique, post that. There should be no shame is tell everyone why you do what you do. Any keeper worth a crap would love to hear other newer ideas. If you think that's a bad idea, don't do it that way. Telm us why your idea is better.

I have a varried collection of boas , carpets, balls , pits and kings. They all are fed based on when I think they are displaying "hunting". I can see it takes longer when larger prey items are used. This woks great for me. My snakes are very active and none are overweight. I also mix up prey size a little bit. Nothing extreme but up or down a size.

Nicely stated.

[Aaron_S]

I knew this thread would go all to hell when I read the first post.
May I add some perspective?
I love the different feeding methods but everyone who gave their opinions keep different kinds of snakes. Aaron has royals, the op is talking bcc, Jerry has a variety and so on. Only one person mentioned they keep a specific kind and how their experience may be dependant on that. You are all arguing for nothing, even arguing about arguing.
Great we have a few different methods shown. Why can't we share why we don't like that idea or why we do? Does it always have to be like this? Let's discuss it and not argue about why your method is better based on your collection size or years of experience. If all you got is "my 2 kings do great this way" , then post it. If you have 500 snakes and have 5yrs of measured data before and after a change in technique, post that. There should be no shame is tell everyone why you do what you do. Any keeper worth a crap would love to hear other newer ideas. If you think that's a bad idea, don't do it that way. Telm us why your idea is better.

I have a varried collection of boas , carpets, balls , pits and kings. They all are fed based on when I think they are displaying "hunting". I can see it takes longer when larger prey items are used. This woks great for me. My snakes are very active and none are overweight. I also mix up prey size a little bit. Nothing extreme but up or down a size.

Dan I like your post but I wanted to point out that this data was collected on ball pythons but it's been applied to multiple species with similar results. So that's why I am willing to recommend it in general to any boa or python keeper. Colubrids tend to have a higher metabolism so I don't really talk about those but I would say this regime could give a good foundation.

I don't know why I'm being called out. My first post simply said 'I dislike that line of thinking and here's why...'

Are we not allowed our own opinions anymore? I was trying to incite an actual discussion and I didn't see anything wrong with that.

SKY, hmm I guess having at least one other person substantiate my claims isn't proof, now is it?

Furthermore, as I've said multiple times, I've made my claims so those reading can have some follow up so they don't have to ask "why?" I never said it's the end all be all, I just believe it to be a healthier mindset and as Dan stated anyone can do as they wish if they don't like it.

[EL Ziggy]

I knew this thread would go all to hell when I read the first post.
May I add some perspective?
I love the different feeding methods but everyone who gave their opinions keep different kinds of snakes. Aaron has royals, the op is talking bcc, Jerry has a variety and so on. Only one person mentioned they keep a specific kind and how their experience may be dependant on that. You are all arguing for nothing, even arguing about arguing.
Great we have a few different methods shown. Why can't we share why we don't like that idea or why we do? Does it always have to be like this? Let's discuss it and not argue about why your method is better based on your collection size or years of experience. If all you got is "my 2 kings do great this way" , then post it. If you have 500 snakes and have 5yrs of measured data before and after a change in technique, post that. There should be no shame is tell everyone why you do what you do. Any keeper worth a crap would love to hear other newer ideas. If you think that's a bad idea, don't do it that way. Telm us why your idea is better.

I have a varried collection of boas , carpets, balls , pits and kings. They all are fed based on when I think they are displaying "hunting". I can see it takes longer when larger prey items are used. This woks great for me. My snakes are very active and none are overweight. I also mix up prey size a little bit. Nothing extreme but up or down a size.

^Thank you.

[Terranaut]

Dan I like your post but I wanted to point out that this data was collected on ball pythons but it's been applied to multiple species with similar results. So that's why I am willing to recommend it in general to any boa or python keeper. Colubrids tend to have a higher metabolism so I don't really talk about those but I would say this regime could give a good foundation.

I don't know why I'm being called out. My first post simply said 'I dislike that line of thinking and here's why...'

Are we not allowed our own opinions anymore? I was trying to incite an actual discussion and I didn't see anything wrong with that.

SKY, hmm I guess having at least one other person substantiate my claims isn't proof, now is it?

Furthermore, as I've said multiple times, I've made my claims so those reading can have some follow up so they don't have to ask "why?" I never said it's the end all be all, I just believe it to be a healthier mindset and as Dan stated anyone can do as they wish if they don't like it.

I hope you don't feel I was calling you out. My comments were directed to all and not just any specific person. Every thread regarding experimentation with feeding seems to end with someone bashing someone else. I just hope we can start discussing it instead of arguing it. Some of us need to thicken their skin and others need to bring it down a notch. Somewhere in the middle is a perfect conversation.


One more thing to add. To those who have put the time into studying these methods....how much do you regulate the source of the prey items you use. Maybe quality of rat/rabbit/chick or whatever is more important than when and how much? Just a thought.

[LadyWraith]

Feed 10-15% of the specimens body weight when hunger behaviour is displayed... let the snake tell you when it's hungry

I switched to a method similar to this for my BP a few months back. After a few skipped meals, I got tired of wasting food and waited for hunting behavior before I tried again. I still stick to a general 10 day feeding schedule but don't feed unless there is active "hunting" behavior. And I've actually noticed a difference in his body composition since the change. He feels more solid/muscular and less flabby/lethargic, for lack of a better term. Just a personal assessment of my one snake and I may be waaay off, but the increased activity seems to be an improvement.

[smy_749]

The general idea behind this topic is the same as a few others, so I knew it would be a somewhat **** storm in here. Any time 'mimicking nature is best' vs 'We can do better than nature' comes up, people are butting heads.

Its great if you can get your beardie (or snake in this case) to live for 25 years, but it doesn't mean that one who lived half that was 'unhealthy' if they only live to be 10 or so in the wild. Humans aren't supposed to live to their 90's (generally) but pretty soon most people probably will be with advancements in treatment.

I skipped to the end here, and I don't know if anyone has done any real study on age / prey size correlation, but if there is a study like that, I'd be interested in reading it.

[Aaron_S]

I hope you don't feel I was calling you out. My comments were directed to all and not just any specific person. Every thread regarding experimentation with feeding seems to end with someone bashing someone else. I just hope we can start discussing it instead of arguing it. Some of us need to thicken their skin and others need to bring it down a notch. Somewhere in the middle is a perfect conversation.


One more thing to add. To those who have put the time into studying these methods....how much do you regulate the source of the prey items you use. Maybe quality of rat/rabbit/chick or whatever is more important than when and how much? Just a thought.

Sorry Dan I wasn't clear in my post. Just the first part about when you said I only keep royals was directed to you. You are correct but the feeding regime also works for other species was my point!

[SKYlord]

My point was and is that Aaron was being very arrogant when he said he posted proof and didn't even ask for Jerry's.

[ReticMan123]

Hey everyone. It's me. The one who started the post. I'd like to add that the post should really stick to topic. Also the arguing is redo culprits and unbelievable stop it. Any feeding schedule anyone use. For their adult snakes. If you the the math isn't it about 20 percent their weight every month or 10 percent every 2 weeks. Any snake. And for juveniles
Like a
Year or so. Aren't you feeding around 20 percent every 2 weeks? Again like a
100 pound anaconda would be great on. A 10 pound giant rabbit every 2 weeks or maybe even a
20 pound pig. An then not feed again for a month. Or a 4. Feet male
Bci who is about
1500 grams. Then your feeding
Probably
A
Large rat bout
300 grams. Every 2 weeks. And in my opinion snakes that aren't adults souls not be fed an less often than every 2 weeks.

[SKYlord]

I would like to congratulate you on starting this thread. I can tell it takes a lot of skill and talent to accomplish such a feat.

[Mikoh4792]

I would like to congratulate you on starting this thread. I can tell it takes a lot of skill and talent to accomplish such a feat.

He wants to know about other people's feeding schedule for their snakes. What problem do you have with it?

[Hannibalcanibal]

He wants to know about other people's feeding schedule for their snakes. What problem do you have with it?

^this.....

[SKYlord]

He wants to know about other people's feeding schedule for their snakes. What problem do you have with it?

First off I'm pretty sure that just because you start a thread that it doesn't mean you own it.

I already pointed out this was just too much.


Then rabbits is 1/5 very 2 weeks. Once she reaches about 7 ft or has been on rabbits for at least 6 months then ill feed 1/7 every 2 weeks. For example a 10 pound boa would get about a 3 pound rabbit a month. Or 1.5 every 2 weeks.

Please stop trying to argue with me. I don't think you quite measure up.

[Mikoh4792]

Please stop trying to argue with me. I don't think you quite measure up.

I call people out on irony.

This is ironic, because only several posts ago you were whining about Aaron's arrogance. Who's arrogant now?

[Mikoh4792]

First off I'm pretty sure that just because you start a thread that it doesn't mean you own it.

I already pointed out this was just too much.



I see more irony in this post.

You don't own this thread either, so why complain about something being too much? If you don't like it, get out. No one will care if it is too much for you.

[SKYlord]

I see more irony in this post.

You don't own this thread either, so why complain about something being too much? If you don't like it, get out. No one will care if it is too much for you.

T h a t I s t o o m u c h f o o d f o r a b o a t h a t s I z e. There. Now that I spelled it out for you can you understand? Aaron is still arrogant.

[Mikoh4792]

T h a t I s t o o m u c h f o o d f o r a b o a t h a t s I z e. There. Now that I spelled it out for you can you understand? Aaron is still arrogant.

You are too obsessed with his arrogance and not the topic at hand. Arrogance does not equate with being wrong.

[SKYlord]

I never once said he was wrong.

[Mikoh4792]

I never once said he was wrong.

Never said you did. Just pointing out that you care too much about trivial matters.

[SKYlord]

Never said you did. Just pointing out that you care too much about trivial matters.

This seems like a pot meet kettle type of situation.......

[Mikoh4792]

This seems like a pot meet kettle type of situation.......

It just may be...

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[lady_bug87]

It just may be...

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I'm stealing this. Just so YOU know

[Mikoh4792]

I'm stealing this. Just so YOU know

Can't steal it if its not mine lol. It's an old meme.

[TheZoo]

I hate to just pop in mid way through a "civil" discussion but shouldn't be about how the snake best thrives not how the keeper wants to feed? If its happy and healthy with no medical problems doesn't that say hey you're doing something right! if thriving is not happening wouldn't that mean you need to just like do something different for the health and happiness of a snake. Also snakes aren't really domesticated most exotics really are not. Domestic implies they were changed by humans for certain pet quality traits and for most snakes this is simply not true. They still eat rodent and mammal based diets in their raw form. If you went out in the field to herp you still find specimens that differ to more than the one in your tank/viv/etc the only they differ in can be morphs; but look at parakeets they come in all different mutations and you still find their wild counterparts in australia with no different makeup than them. When a species is made completely different by humans is when they become domestic. That wasn't the main argument here however I just want to point it out. Also i'm siding with none of you truly till you can site sources that your method works other than your own.

[Aaron_S]

I hate to just pop in mid way through a "civil" discussion but shouldn't be about how the snake best thrives not how the keeper wants to feed? If its happy and healthy with no medical problems doesn't that say hey you're doing something right! if thriving is not happening wouldn't that mean you need to just like do something different for the health and happiness of a snake. Also snakes aren't really domesticated most exotics really are not. Domestic implies they were changed by humans for certain pet quality traits and for most snakes this is simply not true. They still eat rodent and mammal based diets in their raw form. If you went out in the field to herp you still find specimens that differ to more than the one in your tank/viv/etc the only they differ in can be morphs; but look at parakeets they come in all different mutations and you still find their wild counterparts in australia with no different makeup than them. When a species is made completely different by humans is when they become domestic. That wasn't the main argument here however I just want to point it out. Also i'm siding with none of you truly till you can site sources that your method works other than your own.

I just want to point out your definitions of what domestic isn't the full definition. The reason I'm putting this is because a lot of people seem to not see this when making arguments about wild vs captivity.

Here's the definition Domestic | Define Domestic at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/domestic?s=t)

I would venture to say many snake species are "tame". Just so we can ensure I do enough research here's the definition of tame.

Tame | Define Tame at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tame?s=t)

That definition talks about individual specimens for examples but we can go as far to say a lot of snake species are "tame" by definition.

Here's the link about domesticate.

Domesticate | Define Domesticate at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/domesticate)

By that definition we've domesticated plenty of species of snakes. There are some I don't believe we ever could due to a danger factor but that's not the argument.

I simply wanted to state that there isn't a point in feeding quite like the wild because they aren't like their wild counterparts. No matter what we think.

[TheZoo]

I guess by those definitions yes they can be considered domestic and your right they are not like their wild counterparts when they born into captivity. What are your thoughts on feed a wild caught snake? Would you go the same route in feeding or would you choose to go more natural?

[SSSSnakes]

Also i'm siding with none of you truly till you can site sources that your method works other than your own.

When I offer my experience, I'm not trying to get anyone to change their way of feeding. If they have a way that works for them, then stay with it. I offer the experience in case some people are having problems and want to try some other method of feeding. My snakes are healthy, so I'll stick to my methods. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone.

[Aaron_S]

I guess by those definitions yes they can be considered domestic and your right they are not like their wild counterparts when they born into captivity. What are your thoughts on feed a wild caught snake? Would you go the same route in feeding or would you choose to go more natural?

The last time I dealt with wild caught snakes was roughly 10 or so years ago.

With that in mind, I'd do what I did then. Get them eating which included live and fed once a week. Maybe every 5 days for real young ones.

They are no longer in the wild so they no longer need to be opportunistic the way they once were.

[TheZoo]

makes sense

[ReticMan123]

Sky lord I think it's clear
Your just starting petty guess with everyone and should just move on. And I don't even know what you mean by i don quite measure
Up. Just stop.

[Mikoh4792]

Sky lord I think it's clear
Your just starting petty guess with everyone and should just move on. And I don't even know what you mean by i don quite measure
Up. Just stop.

He's a troll. He just likes to tell people he's better than them. One of many.