smooth Green

[brandonh]

we found this smooth green snake along with 2 dekay snakes at a state game land a day before our vacation
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http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk243/Brandon1001_photos/374472_10200763710549914_733292245_n.jpg this was the first smooth green snake i have seen in pa since i was 12 and the first my cousins have ever seen

[Pareeeee]

I've hoped for years to see or catch one but it hasn't happened yet. You're so lucky! Great pics.

[brandonh]

Thank you , they are rare in pa and the rough green snake is endangered in pa so its one of the best finds we have had in many years we are still excited

[sharthun]

Very cool haven't seen those in the wild for years.

[brandonh]

very hard to come by. i am very happy we found one this year. it was under the tiniest piece of wood

[mistersprinkles]

I've hoped for years to see or catch one but it hasn't happened yet. You're so lucky! Great pics.

I've been looking for these for 30 years and I've never seen one. I live in Ontario too. So far I've only seen garters, ribbons, dekays, redbellies, milks and ringneck.

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome. Thanks for posting.

[Sharlynn93]

awesome find! i don't think i have ever seen one here in pa...you're lucky!

[shaunyboy]

your so lucky to have wildlife like that in your country.....

we don't have much here in Scotland

cheers shaun

[brandonh]

Thank you all for your nice comments we actually found 2 more this year 1 in August and one in september here are the pics
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For those looking for smooth greens just never give up. The first one i seen was when i was about 12 years old then nothing then all of sudden 3 in 2013. You just have to keep looking and have a little bit of luck

[ilovemysnake]

awesome! i live in pa too, but i dont see any =(

[brandonh]

awesome! i live in pa too, but i dont see any =(

They are truly one of the harder snakes to find in pa. They are not very common and the color pattern and habitat they live in makes it that much harder to find. If i was you i'd try open fields the spring time

[ilovemysnake]

They are truly one of the harder snakes to find in pa. They are not very common and the color pattern and habitat they live in makes it that much harder to find. If i was you i'd try open fields the spring time

no fields where i live =/

[brandonh]

Oh that may be a problem. how about dirt roads?

[ilovemysnake]

Oh that may be a problem. how about dirt roads?

sadly no.

i dream of dirt roads and big fields, a place where i can look out the back window and see deer.

if i came into alot of money, i swear; i'd get out of the city, and move far away to a small town where everyone knows eachother.

see, i live around philly.

i went for vacation up to wayne county, pa. and my fiance and i went to a little town, walked around and went to the cute little shops and what not. multiple people on the street actually said hi to us, and asked us how we were.

it was like night and day.

[brandonh]

Philly sure is a rough place to find herps. If you came into money you could own your own field on a dirt road where you could hunt herps :D lol. my town is about 10k population but there are lots of places in town and outside of town to hunt at so it is pretty nice.

[ilovemysnake]

Philly sure is a rough place to find herps. If you came into money you could own your own field on a dirt road where you could hunt herps :D lol. my town is about 10k population but there are lots of places in town and outside of town to hunt at so it is pretty nice.

oil city is west of scranton right? by quite a ways too! I'd like to either stay in pa and move up north, or move up to north ny, i've heard its all mountains.

[brandonh]

Oil city is in venango county and in north western pa. If i moved it would be somewhere warm lol but i love herping in pa too much to leave i think

[ilovemysnake]

Oil city is in venango county and in north western pa. If i moved it would be somewhere warm lol but i love herping in pa too much to leave i think

how cold is it up there?

as a child, i would go searching for all types of critters.
on vacation with the family when i was around 10, i actually came across water mockisons. of course i didnt know what they were. me seeing them all i thought was "awwww" so i was picking them up, playing with em, and everything. my uncle stood there and watched. i brought one back to the cabin, and my mom flipped a diccck! dear lord, that woman said every curse word out there. needless to say, i wasnt allowed out of the cabin again unless my dad was with me.

[brandonh]

tomorrow 40s rest week back down in the 20s. In the summer it gets pretty hot up here. where did you go on vacation at ? that sounds pretty scary at least you didn't get tagged by one of them :). i actually went to virginia looking for water mocks no such luck. I am planning to search down in SC this summer maybe have some better luck

[ilovemysnake]

tomorrow 40s rest week back down in the 20s. In the summer it gets pretty hot up here. where did you go on vacation at ? that sounds pretty scary at least you didn't get tagged by one of them :). i actually went to virginia looking for water mocks no such luck. I am planning to search down in SC this summer maybe have some better luck

thats about the same as here.
haha i didnt think it was scary at all. i thought they were cute. only thing i thought was scary was when i saw one coiled up in the bush that was huge. it was thick and long and black. terrified me. the image is burned into my memory ahah. but there were a crap load of babies.
although my mom told the office about it, and i havent seen any since which sucks. but there's alot of other wild life.
i would go herp huntin for salamanders, frogs, lizards, toads, everything.
i even got my turtle from up there.
i go to keen lake. i go up every year...Keen Lake Resort Camping & Cottage Resort (http://www.keenlake.com/)
its gorgeous up there. i love it. its near paws and claws.
i highly recommend going up there.
you can find so much, even other snakes.
not sure what kind, but i know i stumbled across quite a few on my endeavors.

[brandonh]

thats about the same as here.
haha i didnt think it was scary at all. i thought they were cute. only thing i thought was scary was when i saw one coiled up in the bush that was huge. it was thick and long and black. terrified me. the image is burned into my memory ahah. but there were a crap load of babies.
although my mom told the office about it, and i havent seen any since which sucks. but there's alot of other wild life.
i would go herp huntin for salamanders, frogs, lizards, toads, everything.
i even got my turtle from up there.
i go to keen lake. i go up every year...Keen Lake Resort Camping & Cottage Resort (http://www.keenlake.com/)
its gorgeous up there. i love it. its near paws and claws.
i highly recommend going up there.
you can find so much, even other snakes.
not sure what kind, but i know i stumbled across quite a few on my endeavors.

I think your snake may have been a hognose snake. water moocks ( cottonmouths ) are not native to pa. they are very thick and sometimes black in Pa. Thanks for the link it looks very beautiful up there. I'd love to hunt herps up in the poconos someday it would be a blast :)

[ilovemysnake]

I think your snake may have been a hognose snake. water moocks ( cottonmouths ) are not native to pa. they are very thick and sometimes black in Pa. Thanks for the link it looks very beautiful up there. I'd love to hunt herps up in the poconos someday it would be a blast :)

I read somewhere that hognose's only get 2-3 feet. this thing was giant. I remember it being all black, pale chin, and belly.
it was terrifying. the babies were cute though.

and do hognoses like water? all the snakes were near the water, even the big one. the bush it was under was right next to the lake.

[brandonh]

This is true hognose snakes are usually at max in the range of 2-3 feet in length. Since It was a giant i doubt that it was a hognose snake now.

Were the babies black also?

In my experience i have found hognose snakes around lakes before but I don't believe that water is a requirement though.

[ilovemysnake]

This is true hognose snakes are usually at max in the range of 2-3 feet in length. Since It was a giant i doubt that it was a hognose snake now.

Were the babies black also?

In my experience i have found hognose snakes around lakes before but I don't believe that water is a requirement though.

i believe they were.
they weren't aggressive either.
i mean, hey, they let a 10 year old play with them.

[brandonh]

i believe they were.
they weren't aggressive either.
i mean, hey, they let a 10 year old play with them.

i really wish i new what they were. the options for large black thick snakes (native to pa ) are limited however that does not mean that it was a native snake this year alone a sand boa , corn snake and a western painted turtle were found in pa. In any case i'm glad they were not aggressive towards you and you got interested in herping :)

[ilovemysnake]

i really wish i new what they were. the options for large black thick snakes (native to pa ) are limited however that does not mean that it was a native snake this year alone a sand boa , corn snake and a western painted turtle were found in pa. In any case i'm glad they were not aggressive towards you and you got interested in herping :)

are there any large boa's or pythons that are black? could've been someone's pet who got lose and made babies.


and as for the turtle, i had a western painted! thats the kind i found in the lake. i named him rainbow (=

[brandonh]

are there any large boa's or pythons that are black? could've been someone's pet who got lose and made babies.

That is always a possibility white lipped pythons are known to be black sometimes. i Don't know anything about how big they get though. If it was a python i would not expect it to live through our winters. It is also possible that it was a large black racer although their young are not solid black when they hatch. Another species is the eastern ratsnake it can be pretty long here in Pa up to 8 feet long. Once again though the young are not solid black when they hatch.

What a aawesome name for a beautiful colored turtle!

[ilovemysnake]

That is always a possibility white lipped pythons are known to be black sometimes. i Don't know anything about how big they get though. If it was a python i would not expect it to live through our winters. It is also possible that it was a large black racer although their young are not solid black when they hatch. Another species is the eastern ratsnake it can be pretty long here in Pa up to 8 feet long. Once again though the young are not solid black when they hatch.

What a aawesome name for a beautiful colored turtle!

just looked up pictures of the eastern rat snake, that's not the same thing as a black rat is it?

and thanks! ironically, my fiance's mother has a sun conure named rainbow too... but he's mean as a bat out of hell.

[brandonh]

I am pretty sure they are the same snake people just call them by different names
You are welcome :) sun conures are gorgeous birds too bad it is mean lol

[ilovemysnake]

I am pretty sure they are the same snake people just call them by different names
You are welcome :) sun conures are gorgeous birds too bad it is mean lol

craap! i rescued a baby one from someone who was gonna throw him out on the side of the road, but i didnt think he would exceed 5 ft. *face palm*

and he's gorgeous! we had a female sun conure, but she passes about 1-2 months ago. she was severely disabled, both wings broken, feet broken, she had been attacked by the senagel. but she still lived for years. i guess she died of old age. she was sweet.
she was how my fiance got me to trust a bird, she couldnt bite hard.

[brandonh]

craap! i rescued a baby one from someone who was gonna throw him out on the side of the road, but i didnt think he would exceed 5 ft. *face palm*

and he's gorgeous! we had a female sun conure, but she passes about 1-2 months ago. she was severely disabled, both wings broken, feet broken, she had been attacked by the senagel. but she still lived for years. i guess she died of old age. she was sweet.
she was how my fiance got me to trust a bird, she couldnt bite hard.

glad you rescued a snake that was going to be ditched along a road. That is a terrible way to handle a pet that is not wanted so it is nice to always see someone take one in. lol I am sure you are not the first that has thought that about eastern rats. For the longest time i didn't realize that black racers got up to around 60 inches.

i am sorry t hear about your bird. I bet she was happy them years with you. im not sure i trust those type of birds with them sharp beaks lol give me a snake anyday lol

[ilovemysnake]

glad you rescued a snake that was going to be ditched along a road. That is a terrible way to handle a pet that is not wanted so it is nice to always see someone take one in. lol I am sure you are not the first that has thought that about eastern rats. For the longest time i didn't realize that black racers got up to around 60 inches.

i am sorry t hear about your bird. I bet she was happy them years with you. im not sure i trust those type of birds with them sharp beaks lol give me a snake anyday lol

its funny, he's growing like a weed. within the two months we've had him, he's grown probably 5 inches. My little baby is growing up *tear* haha. he's almost as long as turbine, my texas, in length. but she's thick. when we got him, he was about 13 inches and very skinny. i want to say he's around 18-19 inches now, and im fattening him up. (;
i can't wait to order my gram scale so i can keep track of their weight.

i think i actually will be pretty happy if he reaches that 8 ft mark. i've always wanted a bigger snake, but not one thats so big it can kill me.

[brandonh]

its funny, he's growing like a weed. within the two months we've had him, he's grown probably 5 inches. My little baby is growing up *tear* haha. he's almost as long as turbine, my texas, in length. but she's thick. when we got him, he was about 13 inches and very skinny. i want to say he's around 18-19 inches now, and im fattening him up. (;
i can't wait to order my gram scale so i can keep track of their weight.

i think i actually will be pretty happy if he reaches that 8 ft mark. i've always wanted a bigger snake, but not one thats so big it can kill me.

oh they grow up so fast don't they? Sounds like you are doing a wonderful job at keeping your snakes happy :) It would be interesting to see how much they weigh.

Then everything worked out great for you then although i must warn you as they get older the growing process does slow down a little so it will take some time to get to 8 foot lol

[ilovemysnake]

oh they grow up so fast don't they? Sounds like you are doing a wonderful job at keeping your snakes happy :) It would be interesting to see how much they weigh.

Then everything worked out great for you then although i must warn you as they get older the growing process does slow down a little so it will take some time to get to 8 foot lol

haha they do! little bugger eats without a problem, even when hes shedding. he's a garbage disposal. turbine on the other hand isn't. have to have her in a seprete enclosure covered with a blanket, if not she wont eat.
& thanks! i cant wait to get the scale, have to wait till monday to deposit my money, then im ordering it :D

& oh god, i hope it takes him awhile. i love how he slithers through my fingers. so cute.

[brandonh]

It's all about personalities. some are outgoing and some are shy and don't like to be watched and just want to be in private lol Every snake is different then the next.

Your welcome I look forward to hearing the results :)

[ilovemysnake]

It's all about personalities. some are outgoing and some are shy and don't like to be watched and just want to be in private lol Every snake is different then the next.

Your welcome I look forward to hearing the results :)

Turbo doesnt even care, he loves his food!
& i shall keep you updated!

[brandonh]

I suspect that is why he is named Turbo ? lol

Thank you :)!

[ilovemysnake]

I suspect that is why he is named Turbo ? lol

Thank you :)!

haha at first i named him something really stupid, i think it was like jose or billy or something really dumb. i wasnt planning on keeping him, so i didnt care. but then when i took him back to the house, i started to play with him, i looked at my fiance all puppy eyed and was like "baby, i need a fwend" so then i needed to give him a real name. and we had just watched the movie turbo, the one with the fast snail, and well.. he's fast, so we named him turbo.

[brandonh]

lol Turbo does seem to fit him much better then those other names. He will be very happy that you decided to keep him. Rat snakes can be a pretty rewarding pet to have :)

[ilovemysnake]

lol Turbo does seem to fit him much better then those other names. He will be very happy that you decided to keep him. Rat snakes can be a pretty rewarding pet to have :)

They're both great! he'll curl in my fingers and be stationary while im on the laptop or watching tv. and he'll stay like that for quite a while.
turbine on the other hand is just go go go go go. she will sometimes be stationary, but alot of the time she's on the move. expect in the enclosure, she'll tunnel.
turbo will tunnel but also cruise. which i love, bc i watch him when im tryinh to fall asleep.
im actually surprised he's still tunneled.

[brandonh]

wait to he is the size and curls up on your arm instead of finders lol it kinda gets heavy after awhile lol. Turbine sounds like my lizard just wants to run all over the place and explore places lol. I love to watch reptiles they are very entertaining just doing whatever comes natural to them.

[ilovemysnake]

wait to he is the size and curls up on your arm instead of finders lol it kinda gets heavy after awhile lol. Turbine sounds like my lizard just wants to run all over the place and explore places lol. I love to watch reptiles they are very entertaining just doing whatever comes natural to them.

shes actually out right now, shes being calm, probably because i woke her up.

dumb question, but do you think snakes play favorites?
she doesnt bite me, but she HATES my fiance.

[brandonh]

Thats awesome :)

That is not a dumb question but definitely debatable.
I don't believe they play favorites maybe he spooks her some reason

I'd love to her some other opinions on this question

[ilovemysnake]

Thats awesome :)

That is not a dumb question but definitely debatable.
I don't believe they play favorites maybe he spooks her some reason

I'd love to her some other opinions on this question

point blank, she has to like me! haha, she was an early xmas present :P
hes terrified to hold her, he doesnt want to get bit.
she bit me i think once or maybe twice the day we got her.
she was in blue, so im going to assume she couldnt see. nor was she used to my scent.
it didnt hurt, actually, i barely felt it.

[brandonh]

point blank, she has to like me! haha, she was an early xmas present :P
hes terrified to hold her, he doesnt want to get bit.
she bit me i think once or maybe twice the day we got her.
she was in blue, so im going to assume she couldnt see. nor was she used to my scent.
it didnt hurt, actually, i barely felt it.

lol not sure it works that way :).

maybe she knows he is terrified and that makes her uneasy? I am not sure if this is true or not it's just a theory.
snakes can be more aggressive in the preshed mode with the cloudy eyes and possible that she was also not use to being handled yet at the same time

[ilovemysnake]

lol not sure it works that way :).

maybe she knows he is terrified and that makes her uneasy? I am not sure if this is true or not it's just a theory.
snakes can be more aggressive in the preshed mode with the cloudy eyes and possible that she was also not use to being handled yet at the same time

haha shh she loves me! :P

i wasnt sure if snakes could smell fear or not. i thought it was only dogs.

lol, i think i just gave her a mini snake heart attack, she was "sleeping in my hand, i went to pet her head and sh spazzed. now its all go go go.

[brandonh]

lol she does :)

yeah i have no idea if they can or not be nice to hear what other ppl think about that as well. so many questions about snakes and so little answers lol

lol reminded her that she is still a snake and has predators

[ilovemysnake]

lol she does :)

yeah i have no idea if they can or not be nice to hear what other ppl think about that as well. so many questions about snakes and so little answers lol

lol reminded her that she is still a snake and has predators

im one of those people that have a million questions, but only ask 10, because 98% are stupid haha.

and yeah! shes a complete spazz!

[brandonh]

Hey there are no stupid questions! :)

Spazz adds character lol

[ilovemysnake]

Hey there are no stupid questions! :)

Spazz adds character lol

honestly, it seems that theyre are a few judgmental people on this forum, thus being why i dont ask .

lol, well i put her back. trying to type while she isnt being still is difficult. i would take turbo out, but hes tangled up in the fake plants. :P

[brandonh]

it's just way ppl are sometimes i suppose

lol snakes do love their hiding spots. Nothing is better then feeling safe when you sleep lol

[ilovemysnake]

it's just way ppl are sometimes i suppose

lol snakes do love their hiding spots. Nothing is better then feeling safe when you sleep lol

yeah, you're right. that's why im part of multiple forums. but i still like this one the best. if i have a dumb question, i just pm a moderator. (;

and yeah haha, but i cant imagine being all curled and tangled up in fake plastic plants being comfy. i wish they would use the silk plants i got them /: They both enjoyed their silk plants until i went out and decided to get them both long plastic plants.
spoiled snakes, i swear.

[brandonh]

This is def the best forum around i love it

well if they are spoiled then atleast you know they are happy and enjoying themselves lol
they will use the silk ones at some point im sure but the longer plastic probably makes them feel safer then a smaller plant thats just my opinion

[ilovemysnake]

This is def the best forum around i love it

well if they are spoiled then atleast you know they are happy and enjoying themselves lol
they will use the silk ones at some point im sure but the longer plastic probably makes them feel safer then a smaller plant thats just my opinion

its awesome, easy to work. at first i was confused, because i never used a forum before. but i got the hang of it.
if you take away the negativity, it would be perfect!

and yeah, your right. i actually thought i lost turbo the other day. i couldnt find him, dug up all the substrate, and then im almost in tears because im freaking out cant find him, he was in the damnn plant.

[brandonh]

lol they can be confusing at first but once past that they are pretty simple
I personally have not had a problem with anyone on here before but in my opinion i think sometimes ppl just get caught up in the debate on the topic

haha it is simply amazing how a snake can disappear into almost nothing at all .
even as little as a clump of grass. there is a bike trail here and in the summer days we find 30+ snakes in 4 hrs its amazing how many ppl walk past them not even noticing them laying there which i don't think is a bad thing for the snakes.

[ilovemysnake]

lol they can be confusing at first but once past that they are pretty simple
I personally have not had a problem with anyone on here before but in my opinion i think sometimes ppl just get caught up in the debate on the topic

haha it is simply amazing how a snake can disappear into almost nothing at all .
even as little as a clump of grass. there is a bike trail here and in the summer days we find 30+ snakes in 4 hrs its amazing how many ppl walk past them not even noticing them laying there which i don't think is a bad thing for the snakes.

i see people argue with eachother all the time. sometimes i wonder if they actually know eachother.

yeah it is, i though i looked in it, but he blended in, of course :P
thats pretty cool!
i remember walking the canal near my old house, and seeing a 6ft snake black rat snake. scared the crap outta me, didnt know what it was at first. it rattld its tail in the leaves (turbine did this when we first got her, i thought it was adorable) trying to be a rattlesnake :P

[brandonh]

with so many members on here it is very possible that some do know each other

they are masters of hiding and escaping as well lol i love when snakes try to be rattlesnakes , kingsnakes milksnakes and racers will also try to get away with this little act as well its pretty awesome :)

[ilovemysnake]

with so many members on here it is very possible that some do know each other

they are masters of hiding and escaping as well lol i love when snakes try to be rattlesnakes , kingsnakes milksnakes and racers will also try to get away with this little act as well its pretty awesome :)

i wanna know someone! haha, my friends all like fluffy animals :P

haha i know! it gets to me at times becuase i think ive lost one or the other.
and yes! i thought it was hilarious. she even coiled up and everything, then struck at me. i found it amusing, and i just scooped her up.
i want her to not be nippy. when she gets big, i cant have her biting whoever she thinks looks tasty :P

[brandonh]

Yeah me too!! lol

right you start to panic and going crazy then oh there you are lol
sometimes i think the babies are just fearless at times lol
but then again in the wild sometimes you have to be to survive and you have to know when to run and hide and how to bluff your way out of danger all at the same time.
I agree or your fiance will never hold her if she bites him :) lol

[ilovemysnake]

Yeah me too!! lol

right you start to panic and going crazy then oh there you are lol
sometimes i think the babies are just fearless at times lol
but then again in the wild sometimes you have to be to survive and you have to know when to run and hide and how to bluff your way out of danger all at the same time.
I agree or your fiance will never hold her if she bites him :) lol

haha we can know eachother!

ha at least im not the only one!
oh yeah! turbines fearless alright! she think's she's a burmese!
and yeah it sucks! i wish he would hold her! shes really nice once she gets to "know you"
i dont put up with crap from any animal! haha, and as you can see from my signature, i sure do have a zoo!

[brandonh]

I agree we can know each other! :)

They sure act big and tough when they want to lol
yeah he should try it he would like it lol they are amazing creatures
that is certainly alot of animals you got there

[ilovemysnake]

I agree we can know each other! :)

They sure act big and tough when they want to lol
yeah he should try it he would like it lol they are amazing creatures
that is certainly alot of animals you got there

haha sweet! made a friend!

haha she does, turbo's just chill.
he'll hold turbo.
funny thing about turbo is, when we got him, the guy said he was vicious and bit everyone.
i was nervous to hold him at first, so i made my fiance.
turbo has yet to bit us.
very laid back.
Turbo's more his then he is mine.... even though im thr one who takes care of them :P

and yes! see, i have this thing where if i see an animal that needs a home, or is hurt, i have to help it. kinda a habit.

it's gotten me into a lot of trouble, numerous occasions.
i have this tendency to save kittens, and i've almost gotten kicked out, not once, but twice because i bring in a flea covered stray kitten from outside.
opps. its just so cute and fluffy.

[brandonh]

nothing is better then making a new friend :)

sounds like that guy just needed a reason to get rid of it
I think he will find that turbine is just as friendly if he gives her a chance lol

nothing wrong with that they are very lucky to have someone like you to give them a nice home and a warm place to sleep and a full belly every day and night.

[ilovemysnake]

nothing is better then making a new friend :)

sounds like that guy just needed a reason to get rid of it
I think he will find that turbine is just as friendly if he gives her a chance lol

nothing wrong with that they are very lucky to have someone like you to give them a nice home and a warm place to sleep and a full belly every day and night.

this is true!

probably, he said he drove down 45 minutes to see if they would take it. when they said no, he said he would dump him on the road.
im trying, so far, he pets her on the head.
im nervous that hes gonna hold her, she bites him, and he drops her.

this too is true! my newest addition is a 5-6 month old German shepherd- pit mix whose bad as helll. came from a high kill shelter in NC. hope for paws (you tube them, the videos make me cry haha) brought him up here to us.
he just got fixed two weeks ago. Xmas eve, i was holding him, when i out him down, he started air humping in circles. i was so confused, i thought i hurt him hahaha.

[brandonh]

That it is !

yeah that would probably scare her to death to be dropped.
but he should be able to work his way up to holding her i think

aw i love shepherds they are gorgeous dogs and it is great you saved him :P
ahaha you would think that would be out of the question being fixed but i guess not
lol

[ilovemysnake]

That it is !

yeah that would probably scare her to death to be dropped.
but he should be able to work his way up to holding her i think

aw i love shepherds they are gorgeous dogs and it is great you saved him :P
ahaha you would think that would be out of the question being fixed but i guess not
lol

=D

yeah i know! the first day i had turbo, he slithered off my bed and on to the floor, but he was fine, actually ironically landed on a pillow which had fallen.

i want a pure breed gsd so badly, i have this weird obsession with any bully breed. whenever i go to the local pet shop, im in there for like an hour and a half playing with all the dogs.

[brandonh]

:) that is a pretty soft landing right there!

lol oh geez that is like me i spend forever in pet stores i must look at every pet there atleast 2 times before i leave lol

[ilovemysnake]

:) that is a pretty soft landing right there!

lol oh geez that is like me i spend forever in pet stores i must look at every pet there atleast 2 times before i leave lol

I know right?! Thank god. I wouldve felt so bad. My fiance still dont know Iit happenee hahah.

And im not the only one? Haha. Theres this little pet store around the corner from me that has a 5ft corn snake. I fell In love with her. I want her soooooooo badly. But I dont have room :(

[brandonh]

yeah that would have made me feel bad also if it was mine too. lol uh oh

i know the feeling i always see something there that i want at the pet store

[StudentoReptile]

There are several snakes that get over 3 ft in PA that are black with white-chins. Could have been a black rat, a Northern black racer or very well could have been an eastern hog [I have seen some big ones in the 4 foot range).

Or it could have been a melanistic mutation of another species. Some water snakes can get pretty dark.

Helps to have a field guide or dichotomous key of the area you are in.

[brandonh]

There are several snakes that get over 3 ft in PA that are black with white-chins. Could have been a black rat, a Northern black racer or very well could have been an eastern hog [I have seen some big ones in the 4 foot range).

Or it could have been a melanistic mutation of another species. Some water snakes can get pretty dark.

Helps to have a field guide or dichotomous key of the area you are in.

This is true but whats catching me is those dont typically have black babies

[ilovemysnake]

yeah that would have made me feel bad also if it was mine too. lol uh oh

i know the feeling i always see something there that i want at the pet store
Haha theyve had her for forever. Idk why no one wants her.

I fell asleep :p sorry of I kept you up all last night. I dont sleep.

[brandonh]

Haha theyve had her for forever. Idk why no one wants her.

I fell asleep :p sorry of I kept you up all last night. I dont sleep.

lol it's ok i had no reason to get up early on a sunday

[ilovemysnake]

lol it's ok i had no reason to get up early on a sunday

weekends are always fun!

[brandonh]

darn right they are lol! and holidays

[ilovemysnake]

darn right they are lol! and holidays

holidays are awesome, no work!

[brandonh]

yes i agree they are always fun because of that :)

[ilovemysnake]

yes i agree they are always fun because of that :)

i have no idea when you posted that haha i just saw it, yeaah i had my first day at my new job today! woohoo!

[brandonh]

lol that happens , oh that is always a fun time lol