PVC - why and why not

[BryanB]

I brought it up in another threat but did not want to hijack so the thread so... PVC may not be the best to use because of out-gassing as perches or cages what do you think. This is an web site i found on the subject. it sounds a little extreme but the point is there.

PVC plastic products outgas poisons (http://www.consumer.org.my/index.php/products/106-household/206-pvc-plastic-products-outgas-poisons)

[marvelfreak]

Very interesting read. I have my Yellow Anaconda and monster of Jungle Carpet both in PVC cages. To me i could see it being more of a problem like in a rack system where there's not much ventilation, but in a well ventilated cage i don't see it really be a problem.

[BryanB]

My thoughts where for the arboreal critters that lay on the stuff day in and day out.

[Terranaut]

My thoughts were where is the link to the scientific study and who funded it ? Also this is a Malaysian article and material health and safety standards are different in North America. I bet we find the study funded by an abs plastic supplier ;)

[smy_749]

I think malaysia is probably more advanced than we are now. Thats what I've been hearing alot lately.

[franks]

Except for that time the Malaysian prime minister was almost assassinated by Derek Zoolander.

[Zoo Nanny]

Very interesting article. Peaked my interest to read more. Scared the heck out of me after reading. I don't think I would continue using PVC if I was able as it continues to outgas for it's life span. It also leaches chemicals on a continuous basis. All the plumbing just about is PVC pipe. I was amazed at just how many things around us have pvc in it.
When I was a kid growing up it was very rare to know someone with cancer. I knew two people personally by the time I was 20. For the past 30+ years I can't even count the numbers. Just in the past year I have know three people to pass from pancreatic cancer. It really makes you wonder what we are doing to ourselves, offspring and the rest of the world's life forms.
I came across this article while reading up on PVCs. You may find it even more enlightening.
http://www.healthybuilding.net/healthcare/Toxic%20Chemicals%20in%20Building%20Materials.pdf

[smy_749]

@nanny, read the book Living Downstream | Home Page (http://www.livingdownstream.com/) and check that out. if you wanna be really freaked out, I suggest that read!

[Zoo Nanny]

Thanks I may order that. Not sure if I really want to know.

[smy_749]

Thanks I may order that. Not sure if I really want to know.

I had to read it for a class. Its pretty scary to know that places in Alaska and the yukon territory receive air pollution from china to the point where your not allowed to eat the fish from one of its lakes. The whole book talks about corruption in pharmaceutical companys and how they'd probably hide the cure if they found it , etc. etc. and how just about everything in daily life causes cancer now . Very scary stuff

[marvelfreak]

I had to read it for a class. Its pretty scary to know that places in Alaska and the yukon territory receive air pollution from china to the point where your not allowed to eat the fish from one of its lakes. The whole book talks about corruption in pharmaceutical companys and how they'd probably hide the cure if they found it , etc. etc. and how just about everything in daily life causes cancer now . Very scary stuff
Life to short to live it in fear.

[smy_749]

Life to short to live it in fear.

I don't live in fear or think about it all the time, but when you realize that your carpets , cell phones, appliances, air quality, water, medications, food and drink, location on the freakin globe, etc. etc. are causes of cancer, sometimes it can be bothersome lol

When I was taking the course it was a major bummer, now that its over I stopped thinking about it so much. Plus, in a way I'm glad I learned about it. People tell me to eat organic this and drink organic that, no plastic water bottles etc. etc. and I just laugh. If only they knew how inescapable it is, they would stop worrying about it hahaha I think something like 3/4 of the population who reaches age 60 will get cancer now.

[Mikoh4792]

Life to short to live it in fear.

Living smart is different from living in fear.

[marvelfreak]

Personally i never got why people worry about death and what will kill them, because in the end we are all going to die. I personally can wait to embrace death. It just means i will finally get some peace and quite. lol

[smy_749]

The thing that bothers me about death, is not being dead. It's leaving behind a son and wife. Having to have my mother and father bury their son, etc. etc.

Not something I'd like to wish my family go through.

[ra94131]

Life to short to live it in fear.

100% agree. Everything/everyone is killing everything/everyone these days. PVC is the least of my worries.

Maybe one day more evidence will surface and I'll quit using it, but for every article I read condemning PVC there's one defending it. (And not one of them on either side is really all that convincing to me.)

[Zoo Nanny]

It's not so much living in fear as trying to prevent what ever can be prevented. Since getting into birds I've learned so much about the things we take for granted on a daily basis that are poisoning us. Teflon is another nasty chemical which fortunately is getting banned in 2015 in the US. We're surrounded by it in our homes. Every time we use a hair dryer, cook on it, use a space heater we're breathing in the gasses from it. I have a self cleaning oven that I never use the self cleaning feature because of the threat to the birds. I filter all the water for the animals because of one incident I had here that 5 out of 6 birds got loose stools. The only difference in the 6th bird was he brought his own bottled water. Once I switched everyone else to bottle they were all fine. Very scary stuff. I don't pay the extra money for organics unless I know where it was grown. I've seen in the news where some grocery stores were fined for selling non organic produce as organic.
We are all going to die at some point I would just like that point to not be in the near future.