What is this Boa's Morph????? Help!!!!!!!

[TheGaboonViper]

Hey guys a friend of mine dropped this guy off today and cant remember its morph but said that he knew it was a something with moonglow genes. So i was thinking hypo triple het.moonglow. Any Ideas?

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[Amadeus]

Looks like a hypo .

[TheGaboonViper]

Pics just dont do him justice, the saddles are leaning towards red and he has pink/ violet sides and albino marking in the eyes an pattern.

[Concept9]

I would have to agree with Amadeus. Without knowing the genes of the parents or seeing them is a bit difficult.

I would guess at . . .

Salmon Hypo Hey ?% Albino.

[KORBIN5895]

It could be a t+ but the coloration seems pretty intense for a hypo. I'll check again when I get home.

[TheGaboonViper]

What throws me off is that his stomach and sides have a purplish/pink hue...in person hes mostly a rustic reddish brown on the saddles and a washed out pink with violet purple tones. Never seen a boa like him honestly.

[EL Ziggy]

Very nice boa. I am not buying anymore snakes for year, I am not buying anymore snakes for a year. I am not buying anymore snakes for a year.

[poison123]

Are those stripes on his head black?

[TheGaboonViper]

Are those stripes on his head black?

No dark pink outlined in black.

[TheGaboonViper]

More pics of him.


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[sweatshirt]

He's a stunner! Have an idea how old he is?

[TheGaboonViper]

He's a stunner! Have an idea how old he is?

Thank you very much.He turned a year old on 6/13. :)

[TheGaboonViper]

Any second opinions?

[Kid Boa]

Hmmm, possible Hypo Hog Island ?

Great snake btw.

[TheGaboonViper]

Some pics of him with my Orangasm Sunglow het. Anery and Hypo Central American Motley het. T+ het.Albino het. Anery. He just shed and the motley is in shed.



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[TheGaboonViper]

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[TheGaboonViper]

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[TheGaboonViper]

More pics posted on page one.

[rocknhorse76]

I take it that you didn't quarantine him?

[TheGaboonViper]

I take it that you didn't quarantine him?

I did for over 2 weeks nearly 3. No mites,respiratory issues,IBD,BOID,Scale rot or any other visual ailments. He was a singular pet in a clean terrarium with no other animals in the house. Why?

[Lankyrob]

A three week quarantine is not a quarantine, three months minimum.

[TheGaboonViper]

Thanks but i don't need a quarantine lesson I'm just trying to find out the morph. Anyone have any ideas?

[KORBIN5895]

Thanks but i don't need a quarantine lesson I'm just trying to find out the morph. Anyone have any ideas?

So what you're saying is you know how to properly take care of your animals but you choose not to do it properly? Impressive.

[Lankyrob]

Thanks but i don't need a quarantine lesson I'm just trying to find out the morph. Anyone have any ideas?

It kinda sounds like you do need a lesson as you obviously dont know how to quarantine effectively.

[Will0W783]

Boid Inclusion Body Disease (IBD, BOID), a 100% fatal and extremely contagious retrovirus that attacks boas, pythons, and some vipers and colubrids can take months to appear. For any new snake of boid descent (boa or python) a MINIMUM 3-4 month quarantine should be implemented. If any signs of illness or parasites show up the snake should remain in quarantine until 3-5 months after all signs of a problem have cleared up.
Even that isn't a 100% guarantee...most reputable breeders and keepers with the space will use a 6-12 month quarantine for new boas because of the length of time it can take for problems to appear. A 2-week quarantine is not even close to sufficient....

So, you didn't know how to quarantine properly. You have no idea of the genetics of the snake you just bought....and you want to argue with us about you know what you're doing? IMHO you need to do a LOT more research and calm down; we're just trying to help you avoid being victim to the same mistakes we all made when we were new.

And yes, that looks like a salmon hypo to me.

[TheGaboonViper]

Boid Inclusion Body Disease (IBD, BOID), a 100% fatal and extremely contagious retrovirus that attacks boas, pythons, and some vipers and colubrids can take months to appear. For any new snake of boid descent (boa or python) a MINIMUM 3-4 month quarantine should be implemented. If any signs of illness or parasites show up the snake should remain in quarantine until 3-5 months after all signs of a problem have cleared up.
Even that isn't a 100% guarantee...most reputable breeders and keepers with the space will use a 6-12 month quarantine for new boas because of the length of time it can take for problems to appear. A 2-week quarantine is not even close to sufficient....

So, you didn't know how to quarantine properly. You have no idea of the genetics of the snake you just bought....and you want to argue with us about you know what you're doing? IMHO you need to do a LOT more research and calm down; we're just trying to help you avoid being victim to the same mistakes we all made when we were new.
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And yes, that looks like a salmon hypo to me.

Ya know what forget it,I just talked to Mark Scott and Jeremy Stone I figured out its genetics Its a Coral Line Triple het. Moonglow with high expressions of hypo. It came from Mark Scott of East River Constrictors.Hes a quality snake. The other two are directly from Frank Martin...Criticize me all you want I've been doing this for 13 years Longer than some of those on this forum I'm no idiot. And no Willow I Didn't buy a snake without knowing its genetics, I don't do that he was a rescue pet that was dropped of by a friend who was moving away whom didn't remember what Mark Scott said about his genetics. Wasn't trying to come off mean but being that I didn't want my thread derailed I didn't want this to become a quarantine discussion...and let me clarify....I've had all these animals from the beginning of this year, This was the first time they came in contact with each other. I kept he Triple het. moonglow in a separate room for 3 weeks when i first go him them kept him in my reptile room away from the other snakes till now...There all healthy,fit,alert,active and aggressive feeders....Hence why I didn't want a lesson in Quarantining. It's sad I'm both a a member and an administrator of many Forums that use Vbulletin and this is the first that I've been a member of where everyone gangs up and attacks you at once when just asking a question...Disgraceful...Grow up people.

[Ddub]

Ya know what forget it,I just talked to Mark Scott and Jeremy Stone I figured out its genetics Its a Coral Line Triple het. Moonglow with high expressions of hypo. It came from Mark Scott of East River Constrictors.Hes a quality snake. The other two are directly from Frank Martin...Criticize me all you want I've been doing this for 13 years Longer than some of those on this forum I'm no idiot. And no Willow I Didn't buy a snake without knowing its genetics, I don't do that he was a rescue pet that was dropped of by a friend who was moving away whom didn't remember what Mark Scott said about his genetics. Wasn't trying to come off mean but being that I didn't want my thread derailed I didn't want this to become a quarantine discussion...and let me clarify....I've had all these animals from the beginning of this year, This was the first time they came in contact with each other. I kept he Triple het. moonglow in a separate room for 3 weeks when i first go him them kept him in my reptile room away from the other snakes till now...There all healthy,fit,alert,active and aggressive feeders....Hence why I didn't want a lesson in Quarantining. It's sad I'm both a a member and an administrator of many Forums that use Vbulletin and this is the first that I've been a member of where everyone gangs up and attacks you at once when just asking a question...Disgraceful...Grow up people.

Although I sometimes don't agree with certain tactics employed, it is up to the herp community to police ourselves. Proper quarantine protocol is important in our hobby so that we don't unknowingly spread disease, parasites, etc to other collections. If a 2-3 week quarantine is your idea of proper protocol you obviously haven't been paying attention for the last 13 years and should understand why everyone is pointing it out to you. I personally would never buy from nor sell to anyone that doesn't have sound quarantine practices in place with their collection. It's just too risky and I have too much money tied up in it to take chances. I've seen whole collections perish because they were built too fast and had no quarantine protocol in place. It's not fun to see people go through that type of avoidable tragedy. It's not something to get riled up about, just a mistake that folks are trying to point out in hopes that it gets fixed.

[Will0W783]

Ok, I guess I came across a bit harsh in my post, but I do think the underlying message is important enough to warrant some firmness. Proper quarantine for snakes means several months in a separate room, with you only visiting that snake last in a day, and not going back into your main room unless you've changed/showered/etc. It's a huge pain in the butt, but it's vital to protecting your animals.


I did not realize this snake is a rescue- that would explain some uncertainty about his genetics. I thought the OP had simply bought him not knowing, which would indicate that the snake came from a less-than-scrupulous seller (i.e. pet store, Craigslist). I should have read more carefully but I admit I just skimmed and saw that the snake had not been properly quarantined and it tweaked me out.

I've seen friends I know and care about lose dozens of animals because they weren't careful with quarantining. A simple RI can take weeks to develop and then wipe out multiple animals, depending on the bacteria responsible and what antibiotics the keeper has access to. More insidious issues like viruses can take months to years to develop to a noticeable point, and they are not treatable. If a case of IBD appears, an entire collection has to be put on lock-down for at least a year and it can destroy someone's reputation forever, even if it was an animal they bought that brought it in.

I understand that this thread was not originally about quarantining practices, but the topic came up and since it's something I feel very strongly about I got a bit upset seeing that the OP only quarantined for 3 weeks. That just is not enough for any snake, let alone a boa! Why take a shortcut that could cost lives and countless expenses fixing it later?

In short, I apologize for losing my temper on the OP. However, quarantine is CRUCIAL to a collection, and knowing how to go about maintaining proper quarantine protocols and lengths is a very important skill for anyone that keeps more than one snake to learn.

[TheGaboonViper]

Thank you Willow, I PM'd you....To everyone else....I do quarantine....I cant always keep the animals separately in a different room for months because I have a small living space that they already mostly take up...He's ben with me since the beginning of January that's 6 months and he never came in contact with the other animals...thanks for the advice. This thread is Dead.

[KORBIN5895]

Thank you Willow, I PM'd you....To everyone else....I do quarantine....I cant always keep the animals separately in a different room for months because I have a small living space that they already mostly take up...He's ben with me since the beginning of January that's 6 months and he never came in contact with the other animals...thanks for the advice. This thread is Dead.

Me thinks you're a liar. Care to reread your first post?

[poison123]

Hey guys a friend of mine dropped this guy off today


Lol good job Korbin.

[KORBIN5895]

Lol good job Korbin.

Not as good as your Amadeus discovery.

[TheGaboonViper]

Me thinks you're a liar. Care to reread your first post?

Wow a typo...he's been in my collection since the beginning of the year...he left for a week with another breeder to catalog his genetics with no success. Then he came back when I posted this thread. So ya good job Korbin your great at sitting on your *** and belittling other members. Great use of your time. You have no place criticizing others who were just asking questions and trying to show something new to the forum.

[KORBIN5895]

Wow a typo...he's been in my collection since the beginning of the year...he left for a week with another breeder to catalog his genetics with no success. Then he came back when I posted this thread. So ya good job Korbin your great at sitting on your *** and belittling other members. Great use of your time. You have no place criticizing others who were just asking questions and trying to show something new to the forum.

Nice response. You sure had a big pair in pm's. Are you too scared to write the same way here?

After reading what you wrote I guarantee it wasn't a typo. I also highly doubt you have any experience nor are you as mature as you claimed to be. Anyway I highly doubt you'll be here much longer.

[TheGaboonViper]

Nice response. You sure had a big pair in pm's. Are you too scared to write the same way here?

After reading what you wrote I guarantee it wasn't a typo. I also highly doubt you have any experience nor are you as mature as you claimed to be. Anyway I highly doubt you'll be here much longer.


Eat **** and choke.

[TheGaboonViper]

This Forum is disgraceful...I've been badgered and demonized and my thread has been hijacked and derailed. Its sad that people cant ask for simple input on a forum of this nature. This is not an intellectual site like I thought. Moderation is incompetent and the members are unruly. Complete disgrace...I'll be spending my time on Fauna.

[infernalis]

This Forum is disgraceful... Complete disgrace...I'll be spending my time on Fauna.

........promise?

[KORBIN5895]

........promise?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! That didn't take long.

Off to fauna I go......

[KORBIN5895]

Well I just left him a visitors message on fauna :D

[Lankyrob]

When will people understand that

A- a public forum means anyone can post at anytime on any thread

B- posting something that blatantly breaches the accepted protocols will get you called out

C- being an arse will get you banned

D- bananas!

[KORBIN5895]

When will people understand that

A- a public forum means anyone can post at anytime on any thread

B- posting something that blatantly breaches the accepted protocols will get you called out

C- being an arse will get you banned

D- bananas!

You should read the pm he sent me.

[Lankyrob]

You should read the pm he sent me.

I can imagine :wacky:

[Robin.M]

Hypo.

Like everyone else has said, quarantine is a minimum of 3 months!! 6 months is better.

No quarantine = You're an idiot.

Time to police ourselves better. Cause we suck at it apparently.

Rob