How old does a BP have to be to get sexed? [Archive]

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 02:22 AM

Hey, everyone. So I have had this problem with Pet Smart literally every time with every store before I bought ny Ball Python... I had called a few Pet Smart stores to find out if they had BP's and a few did but there was a problem. They didn't know the age, they didn't know the sex, they weren't feedong them correctly, etc. Thats for a different thread, though.. anyways, every time I called any pet smart store and asked the sex of their BP's they'd give the same excuse, worded exactly the same. "They are too young to tell". That's what they said about mine before I bought him and all the other BPs I looked at. Anyways, he was about 1'9" or 185 grams for those of you who prefer to weigh your snakes, when I got him. Probably close to a year... Are they idiots, or do you really have to wait until they are older because I had my BP sexed already with no problem... like a few weeks ago. .so are they BS-ing me or is it true that you have to wait for them to get bigger? Thanks in advance. Btw I have called Pet Co because many here recommended them... I will NEVER go back to Pet Dumb. Pet co really knows their stuff... or at least more than Pet 'smart' does.

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 02:46 AM

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 03:06 AM

You can sex a snake pretty much at birth ( or hatch day). The problem is the pet stores don't know how to properly sex them and will probably tell you that it is tail or spur length which is not 100% correct.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 04:27 AM

Yup they are pretty much bs'ing. I got most of my snakes as babies and they were already sexed. My youngest snake, a speckled kingsnake is only a few months old and it's been sexed by a vet to be a female.

Next time you talk to them just call them out on it. Tell them they are being dishonest because you have baby snakes that have been sexed, and ask them why they lied to you. They should have a lot to say.

I figured. I have said something about it and they didn't have a direct answer. They just say 'we get them from a third-party breeder. We don't know anything about the snakes. ' and they really mean anything LOL ;) they told me not to feed mine anything larger than pinkies and fuzzies... he's been on and should have already been on adult mice. Anyways... they get there animals from a magical place called 'Barney's' which is just about impossible to find. I've searched for them online for hours... no luck... it's pretty sketchy and I've been on my local pet smarts *** about giving me more info on this place for awhile. Anyways... Pet Dumb always say that they guarantee quality animals because they have Pet smart vets check all of there animals... if that 'vet' can't sex their snakes, it shouldn't be checking reptiles. Agreed? They should find someone who can do that and hire them as a reptile specialist for there branch.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 05:05 AM

My local pet store buys a lot of their snakes from a place called Kevin's but you'll never find it nor will they give you detail because then you could go straight to the source.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:11 AM

My local pet store buys a lot of their snakes from a place called Kevin's but you'll never find it nor will they give you detail because then you could go straight to the source.

After writing about Barneys, I dediced to give google one more loon and found them. I decided to visit the 'contact us' section and ask if they give details like which sex/how old their snakes are to their customers. So if they say "yes we do." I have a reason to be an ******* to Pet Smart and ask why they aren't paying attention to those details. And if they say "no." I know that Baryneys AND pet smart are idiots & should not be sselling reptiles.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 05:16 AM

After writing about Barneys, I dediced to give google one more loon and found them. I decided to visit the 'contact us' section and ask if they give details like which sex/how old their snakes are to their customers. So if they say "yes we do." I have a reason to be an ******* to Pet Smart and ask why they aren't paying attention to those details. And if they say "no." I know that Baryneys AND pet smart are idiots lol

Actually it is very smart on Barney's part. If they don't offer to sex their young it forces people to buy the snake and sex it later. I sold about 8 royals this way. The people wanted specific genders but I told them that my supplier wouldn't sex them as sexing them caused him to have a surplus of males. It's all about shrewd business and just because you don't understand it doesn't make them idiots.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:21 AM

Actually it is very smart on Barney's part. If they don't offer to sex their young it forces people to buy the snake and sex it later. I sold about 8 royals this way. The people d specific genders but I told them that my supplier wouldn't sex them as sexing them caused him to have a surplus of males. It's all about shrewd business and just because you don't understand it doesn't make them idiots.

Well I understand now... and I think they are idiots. Lol it still going to cause hassle and possibly scew me when I want to breed my BP so I am still going to call them idiots lol and I thought I heard somewhere that females were way more common.. guess that's not true lol

smy_749

07-08-13, 05:21 AM

Its not like petsmart is going to pay Barney more for females.... I wouldnt be bothered to sex em either when some kid who wont ever breed him and wants to know so he can name it accordingly is purchasing them.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:25 AM

Its not like petsmart is going to pay Barney more for females.... [/B]I wouldnt be bothered to sex em either when some kid who wont ever breed him and wants to know so he can name it accordingly is purchasing them[/B].

Why would I buy a female just to name it a feminine name?... I am going to breed.

smy_749

07-08-13, 05:36 AM

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:49 AM

Not you. But most people who buy from petsmart won't ever breed the snake they buy. So why should Barney be bothered to sex it when he doesn't get any more money for it? And petsmart will just put them all in the same enclosure and forget which was which anyways.

Oh. Lol I thought you were referring to me. Sorry about that. And most breeders know how to sex a snake... And it's a 10 second process. They can't take a second to sex the animals? And if Pet Dumb messes up, I'd just go straight to Barneys Pets.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 05:53 AM

Oh. Lol I thought you were referring to me. Sorry about that. And most breeders know how to sex a snake... And it's a 10 second process. They can't take a second to sex the animals? And if Pet Dumb messes up, I'd just go straight to Barneys Pets.

Hence why they don't give you Barney's info. Why would Barney want to deal with some random kid when he only sold the snake for $15 anyway? You aren't getting it.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 06:03 AM

Hence why they don't give you Barney's info. Why would Barney want to deal with some random kid when he only sold the snake for $15 anyway? You aren't getting it.

It's not some dude. It's an actual facility. If they don't want to 'deal with some random kid', I'll buy from someone who knows things about their animals. If you called someone to buy a dog and you asked what breed he was and they said "I don't know... a brown one?" Would tyou still want to buy that animal? That's how I feel about my snakes. It's not as much the sex of the snake, but that fact that the people who are "taking care" of it don't know a thing about it.there are hundreds, if not thousands of breeders in America. If they don't want to 'deal with some random kid' I'll find somewhere else.

smy_749

07-08-13, 06:10 AM

It's not some dude. It's an actual facility. If they don't want to 'deal with some random kid', I'll buy from someone who knows things about their animals. If you called someone to buy a dog and you asked what breed he was and they said "I don't know... a brown one?" Would tyou still want to buy that animal? That's how I feel about my snakes. It's not as much the sex of the snake, but that fact that the people who are "taking care" of it don't know a thing about it.there are hundreds, if not thousands of breeders in America. If they don't want to 'deal with some random kid' I'll find somewhere else.

Erik, focus here man. Barney probably knows about his animals. Barney could probably sex them, mark them individually as male or female, etc. etc.

But why? Petsmart is going to throw them in one cage together and forget which is which, he sold them wholesale, and they are purchasing them for the same price no matter the sex. Hes not going to go completely out of his way when your not buying directly from him anyways, and your just one customer....Thats not how business works.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 06:13 AM

Erik, focus here man. Barney probably knows about his animals. Barney could probably sex them, mark them individually as male or female, etc. etc.

But why? Petsmart is going to throw them in one cage together and forget which is which, he sold them wholesale, and they are purchasing them for the same price no matter the sex. Hes not going to go completely out of his way when your not buying directly from him anyways, and your just one customer....Thats not how business works.

Again... pet smart says they have vets or 'specialists' that regularly check on the animals... how come they can't sex the snakes?

smy_749

07-08-13, 06:16 AM

Again... pet smart says they have vets or 'specialists' that regularly check on the animals... how come they can't sex the snakes?

Same response. They can sex them. But why? They are selling them for the SAME PRICE, and they won't go through the trouble to mark each snake individually, house them in pairs, etc. etc.

and 99.9% of people who go in there don't care what the sex is, they just want a 'pet snake'.

Why don't YOU learn how to sex, and go in and check the sex of the one you'd like before you purchase him.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 06:18 AM

Same response. They can sex them. But why? They are selling them for the SAME PRICE, and they won't go through the trouble to mark each snake individually, house them in pairs, etc. etc.

and 99.9% of people who go in there don't care what the sex is, they just want a 'pet snake'.

Why don't YOU learn how to sex, and go in and check the sex of the one you'd like before you purchase him.

You think they'd let me walk in and do that? I mean... I want to learn anyways so if they'd be cool with that then I'll try to find someone to teach me to pop.

Aaron_S

07-08-13, 06:29 AM

1. I sex my ball pythons minutes out of the egg.

2. You clearly don't understand how the business works and the parts that are involved.

Amadeus

07-08-13, 10:35 AM

2. You clearly don't understand how the business works and the parts that are involved.

I do. I can enlighten us if you want.

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 12:43 PM

Actually it is very smart on Barney's part. If they don't offer to sex their young it forces people to buy the snake and sex it later. I sold about 8 royals this way. The people wanted specific genders but I told them that my supplier wouldn't sex them as sexing them caused him to have a surplus of males. It's all about shrewd business and just because you don't understand it doesn't make them idiots.

It's not smart, just sly. But the real idiots are those who actually give in and buy the snake instead of going elsewhere that will actually give details.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 03:37 PM

After writing about Barneys, I dediced to give google one more loon and found them.

So you have searches for hours then magically found them in forty minutes? I have noticed a few of your posts seem to lack honesty and border on straight out lies. I'm calling your BS.

It's not smart, just sly. But the real idiots are those who actually give in and buy the snake instead of going elsewhere that will actually give details.

Again its obvious you don't have two clues what you're talking about. To call that place sly is akin to insinuating they are dishonest just because you don't understand smart business.

Now since I understand that you have a hard time figuring things out, which you have proven by you constant requests for me to explain my posts, I will explain.

If Barney's doesn't sex the snakes it insures that he sells males and females equally. It also keeps him from being liable for a mis-sexed snake. It saves him paperwork and time on paperwork as he does inventory. It cuts out the possibility of sending out the wrong sexes in the wrong order. It eliminates his inventory being mixed up because someone marked a male as a female. Nor does he have to deal with people like Eric hunting him down because the pet store messed up the sex of the snake.

It's not some dude. It's an actual facility. If they don't want to 'deal with some random kid', I'll buy from someone who knows things about their animals. If you called someone to buy a dog and you asked what breed he was and they said "I don't know... a brown one?" Would tyou still want to buy that animal? That's how I feel about my snakes. It's not as much the sex of the snake, but that fact that the people who are "taking care" of it don't know a thing about it.there are hundreds, if not thousands of breeders in America. If they don't want to 'deal with some random kid' I'll find somewhere else.

So the pet store doesn't know the breed of snake it is selling or you're just grasping for straws.

LadyWraith

07-08-13, 04:21 PM

It's definitely just business. Like smy said, they're all going to be thrown together in the same enclosure with complete disregard of sex, age, etc. Not to sound like a *B* but quite honestly, that's why you buy from a breeder. If you want animal details, pet store is generally the worst option.

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 04:25 PM

Again its obvious you don't have two clues what you're talking about. To call that place sly is akin to insinuating they are dishonest just because you don't understand smart business.

Nothing is obvious, you want things to be obvious. It helps you judge others.

Now since I understand that you have a hard time figuring things out, which you have proven by you constant requests for me to explain my posts, I will explain.

That is not proof of anything. That's just how your bitter mind interprets it. Those were reasonable requests considering the fact that you leave vague statements.

If Barney's doesn't sex the snakes it insures that he sells males and females equally. It also keeps him from being liable for a mis-sexed snake. It saves him paperwork and time on paperwork as he does inventory. It cuts out the possibility of sending out the wrong sexes in the wrong order. It eliminates his inventory being mixed up because someone marked a male as a female. Nor does he have to deal with people like Eric hunting him down because the pet store messed up the sex of the snake

That isn't smart business, it's lazy business being run by people who want to cut as many risks from their career as possible.

A smart business caters to the people. My father is a successful business man so he has taught me over the years. i think I'll take his advice over your delusions. You give people options. If you can sex your snakes before selling them it attracts buyers who want sexed snakes. If you also have buyers that don't care for sexed snakes more power to you. If you are worried that one gender might sell more than the other... you are worrying about the wrong things. If you don't sex your snakes and sell them, it means those who buy your snakes don't really care for a gender anyways.

If you don't want mishaps such as wrongly sexing snakes, hire people that actually know how to sex snakes. Mistakes happen and you have to be ready for complaints when you are selling a product. To cut that aspect out and call it smart is facetious. Go take your bitterness somewhere else.

smy_749

07-08-13, 04:30 PM

Nothing is obvious, you want things to be obvious. It helps you judge others.

That is not proof of anything. That's just how your bitter mind interprets it. Those were reasonable requests considering the fact that you leave vague statements.

That isn't smart business, it's lazy business being run by people who want to cut as many risks from their career as possible.

A smart business caters to the people. My father is a successful business man so he has taught me over the years. i think I'll take his advice over your delusions. You give people options. If you can sex your snakes before selling them it attracts buyers who want sexed snakes. If you also have buyers that don't care for sexed snakes more power to you. If you are worried that one gender might sell more than the other... you are worrying about the wrong things. If you don't sex your snakes and sell them, it means those who buy your snakes don't really care for a gender anyways.

If you don't want mishaps such as wrongly sexing snakes, hire people that actually know how to sex snakes. Mistakes happen and you have to be ready for complaints when you are selling a product. To cut that aspect out and call it smart is facetious. Go take your bitterness somewhere else.

We do, the petstores. Thats the whole point here.

smy_749

07-08-13, 04:31 PM

Also even for people who 'know how to sex' , some males don't pop and some females have large scent glands and when your doing a couple hundred, you will mess up I promise.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 04:32 PM

So you have searches for hours then magically found them in forty minutes? I have noticed a few of your posts seem to lack honesty and border on straight out lies. I'm calling your BS.

Again its obvious you don't have two clues what you're talking about. To call that place sly is akin to insinuating they are dishonest just because you don't understand smart business.

Now since I understand that you have a hard time figuring things out, which you have proven by you constant requests for me to explain my posts, I will explain.

If Barney's doesn't sex the snakes it insures that he sells males and females equally. It also keeps him from being liable for a mis-sexed snake. It saves him paperwork and time on paperwork as he does inventory. It cuts out the possibility of sending out the wrong sexes in the wrong order. It eliminates his inventory being mixed up because someone marked a male as a female. Nor does he have to deal with people like Eric hunting him down because the pet store messed up the sex of the snake.

So the pet store doesn't know the breed of snake it is selling or you're just grasping for straws.

*sigh*. Where do I even start?... I am dishonest because I started searching from where I left off and found what I was looking for? Guess I am just full of BS. Now let's talk about the last part ' so the pet store doesn't know the breed of snake" I didn't say that. I used that as an 'example'. That's when you compare something to something similar to help explain to people who don't understand things. The point is that the sex of a snake or as I used in my example, the breed of a dog, is something simple that people should know, in my opinion.

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 04:33 PM

We do, the petstores. Thats the whole point here.

So they can sell petstores unsexed snakes, it's up to the petstore on how to sell them afterwards. However, the person who sold to the petstore can still sell sexed snakes to buyers who do want sexed snakes. If they don't sex them, the buyers will leave and go elsewhere. That's the whole point.

smy_749

07-08-13, 04:35 PM

What if his business is selling wholesale to pet stores and doesn't include individual purchases? Thats his business....

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 04:36 PM

So you have searches for hours then magically found them in forty minutes? I have noticed a few of your posts seem to lack honesty and border on straight out lies. I'm calling your BS.

I usually leave arguments between two people to themselves but this assumption is ridiculous. An example: A man searches for a woman for years and then suddenly he finds the woman in a coffee shop.

Erik could have been looking at places where hasn't looked before and found what he was looking for. It's like when you lose your phone or wallet. You look for hours and hours and then you suddenly find it behind the couch...etc.

You are too quick to judge sir..

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 04:36 PM

Also... it's like buying a computer and asking how many gigs are on the harddrive or how much RAM is in it and the seller saying "I don't know..." This is another example so don't ask if the pet store knew what kind of pc my snake is...

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 04:37 PM

What if his business is selling wholesale to pet stores and doesn't include individual purchases? Thats his business....

That's his business and he can conduct it how he wants, but I am just defending my argument that it isn't necessarily smart business. I would have left it alone but Korbin decided it was a good idea to start a flame war against me for disagreeing with him.

He can never agree to disagree. If you don't agree with him, you're stupid.... obviously stupid.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 04:42 PM

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 04:45 PM

but Korbin decided it was a good idea to start a flame war against me for disagreeing with him. welcome to SsnakeSs! Lol

smy_749

07-08-13, 04:47 PM

Thats a large assumption about breeders Erik for a kid who doesn't know much about the hobby. Its also a big assumption about a petstore you only just discovered.

Mark Taylor

07-08-13, 04:58 PM

Barneys is focused more on selling pets to individual buyers than large companys. Look up Barneys Pets California and you can visit their site. If I buy a pet, I want details like most people who buy pets. I am sure they sex their snakes, and if they don't, I am sure they would upon request. Unlike most breeders theu don't think of their animals as cash... I've noticed that a lot of breeders aren't very gentle/passionate about their snakes.

And how long have you been searching? Some say they are breeders but are just a novice like myself misjudgement is a loop hole But I do care for my snakes and have regular updates on any snake I sell.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:07 PM

Thats a large assumption about breeders Erik for a kid who doesn't know much about the hobby. Its also a big assumption about a petstore you only just discovered.

I have met a few breeders in person and one was holding the snake like a dollar tree item. He was waving his hand around while he was talking and the snake was in his hand, and another breeder who was talking and making eye contact as she was closing a snakes rack and smushed it's head. He wasn't hirt but he could have been. I am only talking about the breeders I've seen in person. I didn't mean all breeders or any breeders besides the ones I've met, in fact.

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:08 PM

And how long have you been searching? Some say they are breeders but are just a novice like myself misjudgement is a loop hole But I do care for my snakes and have regular updates on any snake I sell.

I was only talking about the breeders I've met. Read post #37

smy_749

07-08-13, 05:09 PM

Barneys is focused more on selling pets to individual buyers than large companys. Look up Barneys Pets California and you can visit their site. If I buy a pet, I want details like most people who buy pets. I am sure they sex their snakes, and if they don't, I am sure they would upon request. Unlike most breeders theu don't think of their animals as cash... I've noticed that a lot of breeders aren't very gentle/passionate about their snakes.

Most and alot is what was said, if its not what you meant than don't say it. I agree there are SOME, not the majority.

Mark Taylor

07-08-13, 05:16 PM

Most and alot is what was said, if its not what you meant than don't say it. I agree there are SOME, not the majority.

Exactly.:cool:

ErikBush97

07-08-13, 05:16 PM

Most and alot is what was said, if its not what you meant than don't say it. I agree there are SOME, not the majority.

I met four breeders. Out of them, one was a good breeder. The majority of breeders I met are idiots. That's what I meant by most. Is most breeders around here.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 05:27 PM

That's his business and he can conduct it how he wants, but I am just defending my argument that it isn't necessarily smart business. I would have left it alone but Korbin decided it was a good idea to start a flame war against me for disagreeing with him.

He can never agree to disagree. If you don't agree with him, you're stupid.... obviously stupid.

You never said it wasn't smart business. You said it was sly business. Please don't change strokes midstream or you will tip your canoe.

Also I think you fail to realize that this is a wholesale business we are talking about (or at least their wholesale division). They are not looking to cater to people that is why they wholesale.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 05:31 PM

Eric your analogy about the pet store not knowing what breed the dog is does not work for a pet store not knowing what gender a snake is.

Reptiles are not as easy to sex as a dog would be. You cannot expect all of the store employees to know how to sex them. And as smy and Daniel have both pointed out they all end up in the same enclosure so how the heck would they know which is which?

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 05:37 PM

You never said it wasn't smart business. You said it was sly business. Please don't change strokes midstream or you will tip your canoe.

Also I think you fail to realize that this is a wholesale business we are talking about (or at least their wholesale division). They are not looking to cater to people that is why they wholesale.

It's not smart, just sly. But the real idiots are those who actually give in and buy the snake instead of going elsewhere that will actually give details.

I did say it wasn't smart.

Erik did say that Barney's does not only do wholesale but also sells individual snakes to people.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 05:43 PM

Erik's little revelation came out after you made all of your posts. Good try though.

franks

07-08-13, 06:03 PM

Basically any time I see a day old post with 30 comments I know that Korbin and Mikoh are going at it lol. You guys talk more than I talk to my sister- I think you two have alot more in common then you may realize.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 06:16 PM

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 06:17 PM

I did say it wasn't smart.

Erik did say that Barney's does not only do wholesale but also sells individual snakes to people.

Yes you did say it wasn't smart.

Mark Taylor

07-08-13, 06:18 PM

Yes you did say it wasn't smart.

That's what he said..

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 06:33 PM

That's what he said..

Yes I know. I had originally misread and then responded wrong so I acknowledged what he said ans admit I read wrong.

Mark Taylor

07-08-13, 06:37 PM

I also misread oops sorry:)

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 07:10 PM

W.e man i love you

marvelfreak

07-08-13, 07:38 PM

W.e man i love you
It's those kind of comments that made me think you were a girl.

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 07:53 PM

What's "w.e"?

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 08:12 PM

What's "w.e"?

It's an abbreviation for whatever. Like District of Colombia in D.C. I forgot a period at the end of w.e

KORBIN5895

07-08-13, 08:28 PM

It's an abbreviation for whatever. Like District of Colombia in D.C. I forgot a period at the end of w.e

Oh. Ummm, I don't think Mark is into that.

Mikoh4792

07-08-13, 11:05 PM

Oh. Ummm, I don't think Mark is into that.

I was talking to you.

KORBIN5895

07-09-13, 01:22 AM

I was talking to you.

I sure the hell ain't!

Aaron_S

07-09-13, 02:07 PM

... Unlike most breeders theu don't think of their animals as cash... I've noticed that a lot of breeders aren't very gentle/passionate about their snakes.

You've met a total of FOUR. Rather small sample size to be making such broad statements don't you think? I'm rather insulted.

Secondly, it's foolish of you to think breeders that see their animals as cash (AND as a passion) are bad people. If they don't think of their BUSINESS in the sense of cash how will they ever be successful or maintain being successful? You don't feed your snakes or pay your bills with rainbows and lollipops.

Lastly, do you think it's horrible that some people hatch out 100% het albinos and sell them off to wholesalers as normals for a whole $25? Male or female.