I found a keeper

[sweatshirt]

I had a pretty bizarre night last night. I ended up getting tired at around 10 so I went to bed. That's really early for me (I'm a night owl). I ended up waking up at 2:30 am with a horrible headache and sat on my computer.

I saw Magenta climbing around so I took her out and we sat for 4 hours watching YouTube videos. She just curled around my wrist and looking at me the whole time. She didn't move around, just sat on my stomach and relaxed.

I know that snakes aren't "cuddle" pets that love you, but that was seriously one of my sweetest pet moments. Like, it was calming and we were both relaxed. She's a really active snake but she just sat with me all night, calmly. I'm happy I found a snake with the perfect temper for me. :)

I just had to share that.

[smy_749]

4 Hours is a long time to be out of the proper conditions. I don't advise it especially at 2:30 am, I and some others have lost reptiles by falling asleep (leopard gecko when I was 9)

[sweatshirt]

I have insomnia... I doubt I would have fallen asleep. That's why I said I can't believe I fell asleep.

But I do understand what you're saying.. I'll be more responsible next time.

Smy I'm a fan of yours and I hope this doesn't wither your opinion on me.

[smy_749]

I have insomnia... I doubt I would have fallen asleep. That's why I said I can't believe I fell asleep.

But I do understand what you're saying.. I'll be more responsible next time.

You know yourself better than I do, just saying to be careful. I am from the "don't handle your snakes much" crowd, so my opinion is biased as well :P

Anyways, glad you are happy with your new addition.

[KORBIN5895]

4 Hours is a long time to be out of the proper conditions. I don't advise it especially at 2:30 am, I and some others have lost reptiles by falling asleep (leopard gecko when I was 9)

Four hours really isn't that long. Especially when you actually look at the temperatures from their natural habitat. Do you really think it's 85°f 24/7/365? People really need to apply a little more thought when doling out "standard" advice.

[sweatshirt]

Yeah.. I know... but it was a nice experience nonetheless.

And yeah... my house is a constant 77-78 because I get cold way too easily >.> Will that hurt my snake in any way? Should it be cooler?

[smy_749]

Four hours really isn't that long. Especially when you actually look at the temperatures from their natural habitat. Do you really think it's 85°f 24/7/365? People really need to apply a little more thought when doling out "standard" advice.

Did you read the part where I said you know your situation better than I do? Because we don't know the temps in her home, the temps he was sitting in, etc.

No I don't think its 85 degrees year round 24/7/365. But if you'd care to tell me how you know what temps it is in her house before advising her that 4 hours is not so long, I'm curious. If you'd care to tell me how you know the humidity levels in her house, I'm also curious. And if you'd care to tell me how slow seasonal change over time is the same as pulling it out in an instant to different temps/humidity is the same situation, ...you get the point. FR talked about how he had monitors that he put outside in the winter, they died. He also talked about how he had the same species kept outside all year round, same winter temps, and they did fine.

People really need to apply a little more manners when they advise those trying to help. I defended you on your last thread when you got all PMS, but you don't have to be debby downer on every thread.

[slowhite03]

I'm all for spoiling pets and what not but people also need to realize that the wild is not so peachy. Our little guys will drink water from a toilet if they had to so when people say they need to change there water every day or every other day is fine but not necessary. So if they are out of there comfort zone for a couple hours I really don't see the big deal. He knows his pets better than anybody on the forum. So if he wants to hold his snake for a couple hours so be it.

[sweatshirt]

I'm all for spoiling pets and what not but people also need to realize that the wild is not so peachy. Our little guys will drink water from a toilet if they had to so when people say they need to change there water every day or every other day is fine but not necessary. So if they are out of there comfort zone for a couple hours I really don't see the big deal. He knows his pets better than anybody on the forum. So if he wants to hold his snake for a couple hours so be it.

:o Thanks, you're really kind... I just want you guys to know that I wasn't trying to start drama with this post. I genuinely try to take all the advice I'm given here. I don't want my snake to suffer because of me or something. And I'm a girl :D

I think it was a good experience for me and Magenta. I have the warmest hands ever so she was probably comfortable curled up in them while I browsed playthroughs. :)

Again, I didn't mean to start drama or anything. I'm phobic of drama. :laugh: Unfortunately for me I'm going back to public school next year for 10th grade (personal choice, I need to start legitimately preparing for college) after 4 years of home-schooling. I have no idea how I'll deal. High school... *shudder* at least no dreaded freshie year for me.

I hope we're all cool and I hope I didn't make any enemies by posting this.

[slowhite03]

It's the Internet, you're probably on someone's must kill list already

[sweatshirt]

*Sigh* I know.. I'm good when posting anonymously but when I have a profile or talking to people I personally know I freak out when I think they don't like me. I have to learn to accept that there's gonna be people that don't like me no matter where I go... as you can tell I'm a 110% people pleaser. :(

[KORBIN5895]

Did you read the part where I said you know your situation better than I do? Because we don't know the temps in her home, the temps he was sitting in, etc.

No I don't think its 85 degrees year round 24/7/365. But if you'd care to tell me how you know what temps it is in her house before advising her that 4 hours is not so long, I'm curious. If you'd care to tell me how you know the humidity levels in her house, I'm also curious. And if you'd care to tell me how slow seasonal change over time is the same as pulling it out in an instant to different temps/humidity is the same situation, ...you get the point. FR talked about how he had monitors that he put outside in the winter, they died. He also talked about how he had the same species kept outside all year round, same winter temps, and they did fine.

People really need to apply a little more manners when they advise those trying to help. I defended you on your last thread when you got all PMS, but you don't have to be debby downer on every thread.

Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source? With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted.

[Mikoh4792]

Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source? With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted.

Just to add on this, when I read my skin temps with the heat guns they read 92F on both heat guns. Our bodies are in a way like belly heat for the snake.

EDIT: my hands are 95, the rest of my body is 92

[Mikoh4792]

I had a pretty bizarre night last night. I ended up getting tired at around 10 so I went to bed. That's really early for me (I'm a night owl). I ended up waking up at 2:30 am with a horrible headache and sat on my computer.

I saw Magenta climbing around so I took her out and we sat for 4 hours watching YouTube videos. She just curled around my wrist and looking at me the whole time. She didn't move around, just sat on my stomach and relaxed.

I know that snakes aren't "cuddle" pets that love you, but that was seriously one of my sweetest pet moments. Like, it was calming and we were both relaxed. She's a really active snake but she just sat with me all night, calmly. I'm happy I found a snake with the perfect temper for me. :)

I just had to share that.

It's nice when a snake tames down to the point where lengthy handling sessions aren't stressful for the snake. I don't have a snake like that though, most start getting anxious around the 15 minute mark.

[sweatshirt]

It's nice when a snake tames down to the point where lengthy handling sessions aren't stressful for the snake. I don't have a snake like that though, most start getting anxious around the 15 minute mark.

I'm extremely happy with her. She's my perfect snake. She's extremely chill and calm (but not in a lethargic way... it's weird, like a "whatever" kind of way)... but when she wants to she'll explore like a toddler. :p

Mikoh, I know right? My hands are so warm. All of my friends touch me in the winter because I stay warm (yes... it gets chilly here in FL too). It's weird because I get cold so easily though. Like I said before my house is always 77. Florida has thinned my blood. >.>

And me and my dad are planning on possibly going to Sochi for the 2014 games. I'll die.

[Mikoh4792]

I'm extremely happy with her. She's my perfect snake. She's extremely chill and calm (but not in a lethargic way... it's weird, like a "whatever" kind of way)... but when she wants to she'll explore like a toddler. :p

Mikoh, I know right? My hands are so warm. All of my friends touch me in the winter because I stay warm (yes... it gets chilly here in FL too). It's weird because I get cold so easily though. Like I said before my house is always 77. Florida has thinned my blood. >.>

And me and my dad are planning on possibly going to Sochi for the 2014 games. I'll die.

That's weird, I thought florida ambien temps were perfect for reptiles. Aren't there 400,000 wild burmese pythons in the everglades?

It's all about the layers. As long as you wear thick clothing you'll be fine in Sochi lol.

[sweatshirt]

They are... the humidity here is so high right now. It's killer, maybe too much. I like to take Magenta out on the lanai but not for too long, because it's unhealthy for anything here in the summer. We've been having a tropical depression so the humidity is choking around me.

And there are haha. So many people dump their burms so now they're illegal here *bummer*. However of course the idiots made it into a sport to see who can kill the biggest one for fun/money.

[Mikoh4792]

They are... the humidity here is so high right now. It's killer, maybe too much. I like to take Magenta out on the lanai but not for too long, because it's unhealthy for anything here in the summer. We've been having a tropical depression so the humidity is choking around me.

And there are haha. So many people dump their burms so now they're illegal here *bummer*. However of course the idiots made it into a sport to see who can kill the biggest one for fun/money.

Have you ever seen a burm in the wild? A friend told me he was a wild green iguana in Florida.

[sweatshirt]

Nah, they're mostly in SF. Everglades have a lot. And sometimes they intrude in Miami homes/pools. However they're predicting they might move up to central FL (where I live). I can just see it now.

*Wakes up*
*Goes to let dog out*
*16 foot Burmese python in back yard*

[smy_749]

I'm all for spoiling pets and what not but people also need to realize that the wild is not so peachy. Our little guys will drink water from a toilet if they had to so when people say they need to change there water every day or every other day is fine but not necessary. So if they are out of there comfort zone for a couple hours I really don't see the big deal. He knows his pets better than anybody on the forum. So if he wants to hold his snake for a couple hours so be it.

Theres a difference between what is tolerable/survivable, and what is ideal. If you'd like to provide minimal conditions, to see how hardy your reptiles truly are, than thats fine. If you'd like to provide ideal conditions for good health, than that involves changing the water, disinfecting the bowl, etc. Snakes in the wild don't have 1 water dish the size of a small puddle to choose from.



"Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.
I wasn't defending you being right or wrong. (my info was fine, I just thought he meant dubia and not every species, which he did, and you on the other hand, with your typical PMS attitude, decided to be completely useless and not tell us what was 'wrong' from the beginning because your smarter than everyone here and nobody is supposed to learn or ask questions on public forums) I was defending the fact that your acting like a 12 year old who thinks he knows everything and has to keep it a secret...I thought you were having a bad day , but it seems for you everyday is a bad day unfortunately, or you just don't know how to interact with human beings.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source?Have you heard of an air conditioner? Maybe her house is cool like mine, and I didn't know she was from florida, last week it was in the 50's and rainy where I'm at. With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted."

I didn't 'criticize' her. I thought my initial comment was quite polite, and said that she knows herself better than I do. Just saying it as a precaution.

[sweatshirt]

I just want to say that she does have proper housing... good temps, good humidity, hides, clean water bowl, and things to climb on.

My house is never cold. It's always between 77 and 78 like I said because I have thin skin and get freezing easily. So I don't see why she couldn't be out for 3-4 hours sitting in my warm hands.

And it has been raining around me for the past week, but that's just made it MORE humid and hot.

[KORBIN5895]

Theres a difference between what is tolerable/survivable, and what is ideal. If you'd like to provide minimal conditions, to see how hardy your reptiles truly are, than thats fine. If you'd like to provide ideal conditions for good health, than that involves changing the water, disinfecting the bowl, etc. Snakes in the wild don't have 1 water dish the size of a small puddle to choose from.



"Wow! My hero! Cut the crap. I didn't need defended as I was the one with proper information.
I wasn't defending you being right or wrong. (my info was fine, I just thought he meant dubia and not every species, which he did, and you on the other hand, with your typical PMS attitude, decided to be completely useless and not tell us what was 'wrong' from the beginning because your smarter than everyone here and nobody is supposed to learn or ask questions on public forums) I was defending the fact that your acting like a 12 year old who thinks he knows everything and has to keep it a secret...I thought you were having a bad day , but it seems for you everyday is a bad day unfortunately, or you just don't know how to interact with human beings.

Now its June, I highly doubt her house is under 60°f but regardless did you forget that humans a low grade heat source?Have you heard of an air conditioner? Maybe her house is cool like mine, and I didn't know she was from florida, last week it was in the 50's and rainy where I'm at. With the snakes body directly against a heat source that was putting out a constant 90°f what is the real risk?

My original comment wasn't necessarily directed at you but more at your mentality. I am tired if people just repeating rote without actually engaging there mind. Especially when they are criticizing someone for no real reason.

Finally when I started typing my post the last post was the one I quoted."

I didn't 'criticize' her. I thought my initial comment was quite polite, and said that she knows herself better than I do. Just saying it as a precaution.

Pull your head out of that dark smelly place and look at your original post. You said nothing about her knowing herself better than you do.

4 Hours is a long time to be out of the proper conditions. I don't advise it especially at 2:30 am, I and some others have lost reptiles by falling asleep (leopard gecko when I was 9)

You just gave bad information.......again. You sure seem new to all of this but you comment on every thread and you don't always give good info. As a matter of fact moat of what you give is just a regurge with no experience.

Actually you said I was right.....

Korbin is right, for some reason I had only blaptica dubia in mind, and just realized after he typed this that you didn't specify which type of roach. Everything I wrote was concerning what I found worked with me regarding blaptica, to clarify now.

Now I'm personally couldn't care less if you think I'm PMSing or not but I'm sure that most women don't find you throwing that phrase around funny at all. I've only been here for two years and I've seen dozens of people like you come and go and I'm really not going to lose sleep over what you think.

I'm a hard person because I see way too many people come on here and ask for help just to refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and then kill their animal. Most experienced keepers could spend all day correcting the misinformation that is posted on forums but it really doesn't help to spoon feed. If Mikoh would have punched dubia into the sites search engine he could have had hours of reading (clarification I don't mind discussing the best ways to do things as that is where new ideas and techniques come from) and could've checked the facts for himself. In hindsight what I should've done is not corrected you and just waited for someone to follow your husbandry advice and apply it to Turkish roaches. I would have got a real chuckle out of them leaving the lid off.

@op
I like you and feel you are doing your best. Keep up the good work and ignore the fools.

[sweatshirt]

@op
I like you and feel you are doing your best. Keep up the good work and ignore the fools.

Thank you. You have no idea how much that means to me :)

[Aaron_S]

Nah, they're mostly in SF. Everglades have a lot. And sometimes they intrude in Miami homes/pools. However they're predicting they might move up to central FL (where I live). I can just see it now.

*Wakes up*
*Goes to let dog out*
*16 foot Burmese python in back yard*

You're dumb.

So is anyone else who believes what they say about the wild burms. There aren't "a lot" in the everglades.

A couple years ago an unseasonal cold winter wiped out a bunch.

Just this past year they had a controlled month long hunt. Not nearly as many were found as people predicted in the everglades. They weren't finding them every 10 feet as it was made out to be.

People from around the world came to hunt to claim the large cash prizes. So it wasn't just a couple people doing it and didn't cover a lot of ground.

A quick google search only yielded a total of SIXTY EIGHT over a month. It isn't nearly "a lot" considering what the media says there are.

[SkyesRingo]

@Aaron
You shouldn't call her dumb. You don't have to be such a grouch because she got a little info wrong.
Also, last time I checked, 68 is a lot of snakes, and the amount of area there is where the Burms stay, and considering the fact that they breed and have lots of babies? Yeah like I said don't be such a grouch. Nobody likes a party pooper.

Also, y'all need to take these "fights" to a private message or something. There's no need to fight when op already gave you the info you're fighting ABOUT -_-
(Any posts on here will now be of happy note value)

@sweatshirt I'm sure Magenta was content being on your arm, seeing as humans exert a nice temperature and it's pretty dang humid out there. Please just ignore the grumpy people :)

[Mikoh4792]

If Mikoh would have punched dubia into the sites search engine he could have had hours of reading (clarification I don't mind discussing the best ways to do things as that is where new ideas and techniques come from) and could've checked the facts for himself. In hindsight what I should've done is not corrected you and just waited for someone to follow your husbandry advice and apply it to Turkish roaches. I would have got a real chuckle out of them leaving the lid off.


Why are you bringing me into this? I did punch dubia into the sites and came here to ask more specific questions. And not all articles on the internet are accurate so I came here to talk with people in a more direct way where I don't just read things, I get to ask questions and have them answered. If you call this spoon feeding then I guess you aren't a very talkative person.

[sweatshirt]

Aaron_S... I didn't know that. Sorry. :(

[Aaron_S]

@Aaron
You shouldn't call her dumb. You don't have to be such a grouch because she got a little info wrong.
Also, last time I checked, 68 is a lot of snakes, and the amount of area there is where the Burms stay, and considering the fact that they breed and have lots of babies? Yeah like I said don't be such a grouch. Nobody likes a party pooper.

Don't talk unless you know what you're talking about.

68 isn't a lot. That's like 1 - 2 burm clutches. Nothing.

Here's the FINAL press release from the hunt when it happened. 1600 people, 30 days, and they ONLY find 68 snakes? One man found 18 himself. Sure sounds like "a lot" and that they are just breeding like rabbits! *rolls eyes*

She didn't get just a "little" info wrong. It's a lot wrong if people are going to continue the media hype about the invading burms into the whole Country. That's how we lose our hobby. Don't be dumb.

"By: The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
February 16, 2013

Competitors in the 2013 Python Challenge™ trekked through more than a million acres of swamps and sawgrass in search of the well-camouflaged Burmese python.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) today announced the results: 68 Burmese pythons harvested during the Jan. 12-through-Feb. 10 competition.

The goal of the Python Challenge was to heighten public awareness about this invasive species, yet it also proved to be an unprecedented opportunity to gather important data about Burmese python populations and their impact on the Everglades ecosystem.

“Thanks to the determination of Python Challenge competitors, we are able to gather invaluable information that will help refine and focus combined efforts to control pythons in the Everglades,” FWC Executive Director Nick Wiley said.

“The enthusiastic support from the public, elected officials, conservation organizations, government agencies and researchers gives hope that we can make progress on this difficult conservation challenge by working together.”

At the Python Challenge Awareness and Awards Event at Zoo Miami on Feb. 16, FWC Commissioner Ron Bergeron and Wiley congratulated and presented trophies to the top competitors. Nearly 1,600 people from 38 states, the District of Columbia and Canada had registered for the competition.

Here are the official 2013 Python Challenge™ results:

The $1,500 Grand Prize for harvesting the most Burmese pythons went to Brian Barrows, who harvested 6 pythons in the General Competition, and Ruben Ramirez, who harvested 18 pythons in the Python Permit Holders Competition.

The Second Place Prize of $750 in the most-harvested category went to Bill Booth, who harvested 5 pythons in the General Competition, and Blake Russ, who harvested 5 pythons in the Python Permit Holders Competition.

The $1,000 First Place Prize for harvesting the longest Burmese python went to Paul Shannon, who harvested a 14-foot, 3-inch-long python in the General Competition, and Ruben Ramirez, who harvested a 10-foot, 6.8-inch-long python in the Python Permit Holders Competition.

The Second Place Prize of $750 in the longest snake category went to Rigoberto Figueroa, for a 14-foot, 2.3-inch-long python in the General Competition, and Ruben Ramirez, who harvested a 10-foot, 3.6-inch-long python in the Python Permit Holders Competition.

Wiley thanked sponsors of the 2013 Python Challenge™ who provided prize money and other donations to the Wildlife Foundation of Florida in support of this event. Sponsors included Commissioner “Alligator Ron” Bergeron, Rachel Dodd, the Felburn Foundation, the Flowers Foundation, Golight Inc., Hoorag Bandanas, Incinc, K-Light Solar Lantern and Flashlight, Florida Wildlife Federation, Richmond Criminal Law and Mr. B.R. Slocum. Due to the generosity of sponsors, additional prizes were added.

Florida prohibits possession or sale of Burmese pythons for use as pets, and federal law bans the importation and interstate sale of this species. The public can help the fight to control invasive species such as Burmese pythons by:

Reporting sightings of exotic species to 888-IVE-GOT-1 or www.ivegot1.org. It’s helpful if you can submit a photo and location.

Not releasing an exotic pet into the wild, and reminding others of the dangers of releasing nonnative species.

Go to PythonChallenge.org for additional information."

[Pareeeee]

Just to add on this, when I read my skin temps with the heat guns they read 92F on both heat guns. Our bodies are in a way like belly heat for the snake.

EDIT: my hands are 95, the rest of my body is 92

That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think temperature would be an issue. I wouldn't take my snake out for four hours though, just because handling them stresses them (whether we think they 'look' stressed or not, snakes don't exhibit human body language, they can't communicate how they 'feel') but that's just me. I'm sure being out for four hours this once it didn't hurt OP's snake. The longest I ever take my snakes out is about one hour, but usually I try to keep it under half-an-hour. Depends on the snake too. My Rosy tolerates being out longer than my BP.

@Aaron
You shouldn't call her dumb.

Forum Rule #3.

Also, y'all need to take these "fights" to a private message or something.

I 100% agree

She didn't get just a "little" info wrong. It's a lot wrong if people are going to continue the media hype about the invading burms into the whole Country. That's how we lose our hobby.

Have to agree with Aaron on this point though. It's bad enough that the snake haters are spreading this gossip, we don't need keepers to be doing it as well. They'll take it as "proof," as us admitting it's true, which it isn't.

[sweatshirt]

Sorry guys... I didn't mean to make myself sound like a fool.. I actually thought there were a lot of burms in the south :( I haven't actually done research on it, just going off of what I've heard from others.

[Aaron_S]

Sorry guys... I didn't mean to make myself sound like a fool.. I actually thought there were a lot of burms in the south :( I haven't actually done research on it, just going off of what I've heard from others.

Consider this your life lesson not to do that.

[guyabano]

C'mon people, be nice. There are more tactful ways of correcting people. It is easy to forget that you are talking to actual people on the internet and words can be hurtful.

sweatshirt, I know you love Magenta dearly and you wouldn't do anything to harm her. Just keep an eye out and make sure she's nice and toasty. :)

[sweatshirt]

I will :) I hope we're all cool.