Ball python "talks" - and is a bit weird

[jettabar99]

I have a calider pied ball - almost a year old - that makes weird noises at times. I was concerned it was RI or a stuck shed but believe he may just be an extension of his overall strangeness.
He is the most 'social' snake i have seen - he does what he can go get attention to be taken out and goes crazy if put in a smaller container (no feeding bins for him). When out he stays close to us but explores around the area - very relaxed. One of his quirks is to climb up our feet and stare at the TV.
His strangest behaviour is he squeaks when he first gets to explore a new area or when he crawls over to check out our face (or if i put him back in his cage too soon). He appears to have control of this sound. It is not occuring regularly. (must be a squeaky hiss?)
I am keeping a close eye on his health but he appears fine.
The rest of my balls are normal and behave as expected.
Anyone else experience this kind of behaviour?
I am not trying to humanize him - just describe the non ball python like stuff he does.
He is weird but very cute.

[Aaron_S]

It's probably just a loud exhale. You should find a way to record it since he pretty much does it on demand...

Yes, you're "humanizing" him.

Also, you have a calico spider pied? Got pics? I believe that hasn't been done yet.

[Valvaren]

Yeah I'd love to see pics too, I looked it up and couldn't find anything. Also agree with Aaron about the exhaling. I don't hear it often but I know what your talking about.

[bcr229]

PICS! Pretty please.

[jettabar99]

He volleys for freedom so I give it to him - my bad.

I have attached a pic of Calvin
but here is a better pic http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj6reO4hN1r64zneo1_500.jpg

We believe he is Pied but will have to prove it by breeding (otherwise a very nice ringer). Both my females carry the pied gene so that will help. (and my other male is pied)

[jettabar99]

[QUOTE=Aaron_S;842794]It's probably just a loud exhale. You should find a way to record it since he pretty much does it on demand...

Yes, you're "humanizing" him.
QUOTE]

I have tried recording it but my cell phone isnt good enough to pick up the sound. He had me so worried but i am starting to just wonder if its another of his quirks.

He has shed properly a few times now since i have owned him and that changed nothing. I first noticed it when i let him roam off the first time by himself across a table and went looking to see why the birds where chirping so early in the year and then realized it was the snake. He stopped when i picked him up.
He is the loudest if i put him back in the cage after only checking him for a few minutes (no roaming time)

Who me humanizing him - never (but he did sqeek something about finding the movie Snakes on a Plane a bit stupid - but enjoyed the hockey game)

[Aaron_S]

What were the parents of that animal? Did you produce it?

As it stands now at best without knowing the lineage it's a calico spider, otherwise known as a calider. It's possible it could be a het pied and thus carry the gene but I wouldn't call it that. Especially since spider pieds are still not cheap, so I'd suspect a calider pied wouldn't be either if you bought it.

Calico pied is yet to be done I believe so I'd suspect the calider pied is even further away.

For the record here is your snake, (he's pretty for his mutation).

Calider - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/calider/)

Here is a spider pied. I'd suspect the all white would remain as the pied gene tends to dominate almost every other gene.

Spied - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/spied/)

Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to educate.

[jettabar99]

the Father was a calico bumble bee and the mother a pastel jungle.
He was bred my Markus Jayne (as per the link i attached) as are all the snakes I currently own (great breeder!) I have papers from Mark on all my snakes.

I asked Mark what he thought about pied or ringer and he believes it could be a pied as he has alot of pieds and it is a possiblity that the parents carried the pied gene. He has bred some amazing morphs so who knows. Or it could just be a Calico Spider Ringer.

I bought him for his bizarre behaviour and the fact i loved his colour (and choice of TV shows) and didnt even "notice" the white ring until later. (I have the pied i wanted - looking to breed an albino pied so Calvin was just picked up because i liked him)

[Aaron_S]

the Father was a calico bumble bee and the mother a pastel jungle.
He was bred my Markus Jayne (as per the link i attached) as are all the snakes I currently own (great breeder!) I have papers from Mark on all my snakes.

I asked Mark what he thought about pied or ringer and he believes it could be a pied as he has alot of pieds and it is a possiblity that the parents carried the pied gene. He has bred some amazing morphs so who knows. Or it could just be a Calico Spider Ringer.

I bought him for his bizarre behaviour and the fact i loved his colour (and choice of TV shows) and didnt even "notice" the white ring until later. (I have the pied i wanted - looking to breed an albino pied so Calvin was just picked up because i liked him)

Mandic is a good breeder. I have nothing negative to say about him.

It's not a pied based on the genetics. I proved it with links in my previous post. You should check them.

I wouldn't count on any pied being in that snake until proven otherwise. A lot of people will give you **** for misrepresenting an animal that doesn't have paperwork for said genes, especially such a rare combination. You'd be laughed at by the entire internet.

I'd say, at best, it's a calico spider POSSIBLE het pied. Mark, makes a good note to always include the fact his animals are poss hets on his available list so it's weird he'd just presume. Granted, he did have the lightning pied hatch from unknown hets but that's extremely rare.

[jettabar99]

Mandic is a good breeder. I have nothing negative to say about him.

It's not a pied based on the genetics. I proved it with links in my previous post. You should check them.

I wouldn't count on any pied being in that snake until proven otherwise. A lot of people will give you **** for misrepresenting an animal that doesn't have paperwork for said genes, especially such a rare combination. You'd be laughed at by the entire internet.

I'd say, at best, it's a calico spider POSSIBLE het pied. Mark, makes a good note to always include the fact his animals are poss hets on his available list so it's weird he'd just presume. Granted, he did have the lightning pied hatch from unknown hets but that's extremely rare.

i am new to the snake world so from now on i will just call him Calvin - the Weird since that is proven (no genes required). I had no idea that such a combo would be rare nor did i now he was a Calider until after i bought him - i thought he was just a calico - was not of interest - i liked him - i bought him.
Mark did not advertise him as pied nor mention it until i asked him if it was possible. I thought he was a ringer. Either way he is cute and luckily i can take whatever "a lot of people" say - the entire internet you say - boy must i be in the wrong place ....I didnt realize this site was only for special people!

I think i will go crawl back in my stupid hole now and watch TV with my snake. And then log into my other hobby accounts to see if word has gotten round :cool:

My appologies if i have offended anyone or misrepresented Calvin the Weird

[jettabar99]

[QUOTE=Aaron_S;842826]It's not a pied based on the genetics. I proved it with links in my previous post. You should check them.
QUOTE]

I checked these 2 links out - not sure how these links prove anything - they show a pic and no further info. Is there a site that does show indepth scientific information on the above. I would be interested to follow this up.
I have followed some sites but am finding the information very sporatic and a lack of knowledge in many areas. Please send me some links that would help me with the breeding knowledge
I did find one university thesis on ball pythons but it was hard to get anything of interest out of it and was over 200 pages (and after writing a few thesis myself i understand that the words per document are very important)

[Aaron_S]

[QUOTE=Aaron_S;842826]It's not a pied based on the genetics. I proved it with links in my previous post. You should check them.
QUOTE]

I checked these 2 links out - not sure how these links prove anything - they show a pic and no further info. Is there a site that does show indepth scientific information on the above. I would be interested to follow this up.
I have followed some sites but am finding the information very sporatic and a lack of knowledge in many areas. Please send me some links that would help me with the breeding knowledge
I did find one university thesis on ball pythons but it was hard to get anything of interest out of it and was over 200 pages (and after writing a few thesis myself i understand that the words per document are very important)

Based on the sarcasm that you believe I'm wrong about calling your snake something that HAS NOT BEEN PRODUCED IN THE WORLD publicly yet I don't think I should help you.

My links prove that your snake is a calider. They look the same. A pied with spider in it IS ALL WHITE. It's as simple as that. Apparently you couldn't defer that from the links. Next time I'll be sure to put it more plainly for you.

Also, for the record, ringer is a neat look, and it looks cool on yours, but it's not genetic so don't expect babies to have it too.

[jettabar99]

[QUOTE=jettabar99;842831]

Based on the sarcasm that you believe I'm wrong about calling your snake something that HAS NOT BEEN PRODUCED IN THE WORLD publicly yet I don't think I should help you.

My links prove that your snake is a calider. They look the same. A pied with spider in it IS ALL WHITE. It's as simple as that. Apparently you couldn't defer that from the links. Next time I'll be sure to put it more plainly for you.

Also, for the record, ringer is a neat look, and it looks cool on yours, but it's not genetic so don't expect babies to have it too.

no need - i am not an idiot - should have called him a ringer. whatever.
I should learn by reading other posts that so many posts get nasty.
Ouch!
I will no longer post - thanks for the heads up that i do not belong here.
Thanks for the education.

[Aaron_S]

[QUOTE=Aaron_S;842837]

no need - i am not an idiot - should have called him a ringer. whatever.
I should learn by reading other posts that so many posts get nasty.
Ouch!
I will no longer post - thanks for the heads up that i do not belong here.
Thanks for the education.

I never said you were an idiot. You just failed to see my point the entire time.

It's always been fine for YOU to believe it's a pied. Always nice to think the best of the best but don't publicly state something as fact when it's not even close to being true.

Nothing is nasty. Trust me. You haven't seen that yet. I just like to believe I'm fairly versed in what is being produced and has been produced that it irks me when someone passes off their hopes and dreams as fact. Especially after they say they are new.

EDIT: Nothing was even remotely sarcastic until you decided to go first. It doesn't really matter though since you're leaving because you were proven wrong is all.